Electronic cuffs planned for dads
'I don't see any safeguards. This presumes men guilty'
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Posted: August 12, 2008
10:28 pm Eastern
© 2008 WorldNetDaily
Illinois has joined a growing contingent of states to adopt a law that will put electronic GPS tracking bracelets on men who have not been convicted of any crime, but might be involved in a messy divorce.
The plan, named in memory of Cindy Bischoff, who was attacked and murdered by a former boyfriend, was signed into law just days ago and is scheduled to take effect Jan. 1.
And while its goal of protecting women and children from out-of-control husbands and fathers is good, it goes too far and violates the civil rights of innocent fathers, according to a lawyer for a group that will challenge it.
"Electronic tagging devices can be appropriate as a condition of parole or probation," said attorney Jeffery M. Leving, who is a nationally known fathers' rights advocate, the author of "Fathers' Rights" and "Divorce Wars" and founder of DadsRights.com. "The Cindy Bischof Law goes far beyond this, placing long-term electronic tags on men who have never been found guilty of any crime."
According to a website set up in memory of Cindy Bischoff, there are about a dozen states, including Washington, Minnesota, Utah, Colorado, Michigan, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Florida and Massachusetts, that now have similar provisions. The campaign's goal is to prevent what happened to Bischof from happening to others.
But Leving said there are major constitutional issues that need to be resolved.
"The law carries a presumption of guilt," Leving said, "without the benefit of a trial, yet the foundation of our entire criminal justice system is based on a defendant being presumed innocent until proven guilty."
He said such restraining orders are not unusual.
A recent article by two leaders of the State Bar of California's Family Law Section said such orders "are increasingly being used in family law cases to help one side jockey for an advantage in child custody." And the Illinois Bar Journal has described them as part of the "gamesmanship" of divorce.
But Leving said the full impact of Illinois' new law is that judges can order anyone – mostly men and fathers – to wear a GPS tracking device if they simply are accused of violating an order of protection, with no court conviction or adjudication required.
In fact, he said, "such orders are generally done ex parte, without the accused's knowledge and with no opportunity afforded for him to defend himself."
Such lack of information for the men can result in unknowing violations, Leving said.
"A man can accidentally be in the same park or mall as his ex-wife/girlfriend, and the electronic monitoring device could lead to his arrest even if he never actually saw her. Some men have even been tricked into violating the orders by former spouses. The device will make this easier-a woman could call her estranged husband, tell him she needs him to come to her house because of a crisis with their children, and then have an electronic record of his violation," he said.
"Perhaps such a drastic measure would be warranted if the men forced to wear the devices had meaningful and fair trials, and were found to be guilty of violent or dangerous crimes. However, the Bischof Law empowers judges with the ability to mandate the GPS tracking device on anyone who is accused of violating an order of protection," he said.
"Unfortunately, the rush to protect the abused is so incredibly aggressive that the rights of the accused have been violated," Leving said. "I don't see any safeguard in this law. This law basically presumes in these situations [men] are guilty."
He said his organization will work with lawmakers to make them aware of the potential pitfalls of their new law and will watch cases as they develop to pursue a court challenge to its constitutionality.
Source:here
I can't wait for Illinois to get sued over this one.
Showing posts with label organized misandry. Show all posts
Showing posts with label organized misandry. Show all posts
Monday, September 29, 2008
Thursday, August 23, 2007
Someone in the MSM sees the misandry in society
This article confirms what a misandric prick John Walsh is,check it out:
MOVING ON
By JEFF ZASLOW
Are We Teaching Our Kids
To Be Fearful of Men?
August 23, 2007; Page D1
When children get lost in a mall, they're supposed to find a "low-risk adult" to help them. Guidelines issued by police departments and child-safety groups often encourage them to look for "a pregnant woman," "a mother pushing a stroller" or "a grandmother."
The implied message: Men, even dads pushing strollers, are "high-risk."
Are we teaching children that men are out to hurt them? The answer, on many fronts, is yes. Child advocate John Walsh advises parents to never hire a male babysitter. Airlines are placing unaccompanied minors with female passengers rather than male passengers. Soccer leagues are telling male coaches not to touch players.
A Virginia public-service ad that angered fathers'-rights groups.
Child-welfare groups say these are necessary precautions, given that most predators are male. But fathers' rights activists and educators now argue that an inflated predator panic is damaging men's relationships with kids. Some men are opting not to get involved with children at all, which partly explains why many youth groups can't find male leaders, and why just 9% of elementary-school teachers are male, down from 18% in 1981.
People assume that all men "have the potential for violence and sexual aggressiveness," says Peter Stearns, a George Mason University professor who studies fear and anxiety. Kids end up viewing every male stranger "as a potential evildoer," he says, and as a byproduct, "there's an overconfidence in female virtues."
In Michigan, the North Macomb Soccer Club has a policy that at least one female parent must always sit on the sidelines, to guard against any untoward behavior by male coaches. In Churchville, Pa., soccer coach Barry Pflueger says young girls often want a hug after scoring a goal, but he refrains. Even when girls are injured, "you must comfort them without touching them, a very difficult thing to do," he says. "It saddens me that this is what we've come to."
TV shows, including the Dateline NBC series "To Catch a Predator," hype stories about male abusers. Now social-service agencies are also using controversial tactics to spread the word about abuse. This summer, Virginia's Department of Health mounted an ad campaign for its sex-abuse hotline. Billboards featured photos of a man holding a child's hand. The caption: "It doesn't feel right when I see them together."
More than 200 men emailed complaints about the campaign to the health department. "The implication is that if you see a man holding a girl's hand, he's probably a predator," says Marc Rudov, who runs the fathers' rights site TheNoNonsenseMan.com. "In other words, if you see a father out with his daughter, call the police."
Virginia's campaign was designed to encourage people to trust their instincts about possible abuse, says Rebecca Odor, director of sexual and domestic violence prevention for the state health department. She stands by the ads, pointing out that 89% of child sex-abuse perpetrators in Virginia are male.
Mr. Walsh, host of Fox's "America's Most Wanted," began advocating for missing children in 1981, after his son was killed by a stranger. He knows some men are offended by his advice to never hire a male babysitter. But as he sees it, if a teenage boy wants to experiment with sex, you don't want him using your kids.
"It's not a witch hunt," he says. "It's all about minimizing risks. What dog is more likely to bite and hurt you? A Doberman, not a poodle. Who's more likely to molest a child? A male."
Airlines use similar reasoning when they seat unaccompanied minors only with women. They are trying to decrease the odds of a problem. Certainly, many men would be safe seatmates for kids, but sometimes, especially on overnight flights in darkened cabins, "you have to make generalizations for the safety of a child," says Diana Fairechild, an expert witness in aviation disputes. Airlines have had decades of experience monitoring the gender of abusive seatmates, she adds, quoting a line repeated in airline circles: "No regulation in aviation takes effect without somebody's blood on it."
Most men understand the need to be cautious, so they're willing to take a step back from children, or to change seats on a plane. One abused child is one too many. Still, it's important to maintain perspective. "The number of men who will hurt a child is tiny compared to the population," says Benjamin Radford, who researches statistics on predators and is managing editor of the science magazine Skeptical Inquirer. "Virtually all of the time, if a child is lost or in trouble, he will be safe going to the nearest male stranger."
Email: Jeffrey.Zaslow@wsj.com.
Source: here
MOVING ON
By JEFF ZASLOW
Are We Teaching Our Kids
To Be Fearful of Men?
August 23, 2007; Page D1
When children get lost in a mall, they're supposed to find a "low-risk adult" to help them. Guidelines issued by police departments and child-safety groups often encourage them to look for "a pregnant woman," "a mother pushing a stroller" or "a grandmother."
The implied message: Men, even dads pushing strollers, are "high-risk."
Are we teaching children that men are out to hurt them? The answer, on many fronts, is yes. Child advocate John Walsh advises parents to never hire a male babysitter. Airlines are placing unaccompanied minors with female passengers rather than male passengers. Soccer leagues are telling male coaches not to touch players.
A Virginia public-service ad that angered fathers'-rights groups.
Child-welfare groups say these are necessary precautions, given that most predators are male. But fathers' rights activists and educators now argue that an inflated predator panic is damaging men's relationships with kids. Some men are opting not to get involved with children at all, which partly explains why many youth groups can't find male leaders, and why just 9% of elementary-school teachers are male, down from 18% in 1981.
People assume that all men "have the potential for violence and sexual aggressiveness," says Peter Stearns, a George Mason University professor who studies fear and anxiety. Kids end up viewing every male stranger "as a potential evildoer," he says, and as a byproduct, "there's an overconfidence in female virtues."
In Michigan, the North Macomb Soccer Club has a policy that at least one female parent must always sit on the sidelines, to guard against any untoward behavior by male coaches. In Churchville, Pa., soccer coach Barry Pflueger says young girls often want a hug after scoring a goal, but he refrains. Even when girls are injured, "you must comfort them without touching them, a very difficult thing to do," he says. "It saddens me that this is what we've come to."
TV shows, including the Dateline NBC series "To Catch a Predator," hype stories about male abusers. Now social-service agencies are also using controversial tactics to spread the word about abuse. This summer, Virginia's Department of Health mounted an ad campaign for its sex-abuse hotline. Billboards featured photos of a man holding a child's hand. The caption: "It doesn't feel right when I see them together."
More than 200 men emailed complaints about the campaign to the health department. "The implication is that if you see a man holding a girl's hand, he's probably a predator," says Marc Rudov, who runs the fathers' rights site TheNoNonsenseMan.com. "In other words, if you see a father out with his daughter, call the police."
Virginia's campaign was designed to encourage people to trust their instincts about possible abuse, says Rebecca Odor, director of sexual and domestic violence prevention for the state health department. She stands by the ads, pointing out that 89% of child sex-abuse perpetrators in Virginia are male.
Mr. Walsh, host of Fox's "America's Most Wanted," began advocating for missing children in 1981, after his son was killed by a stranger. He knows some men are offended by his advice to never hire a male babysitter. But as he sees it, if a teenage boy wants to experiment with sex, you don't want him using your kids.
"It's not a witch hunt," he says. "It's all about minimizing risks. What dog is more likely to bite and hurt you? A Doberman, not a poodle. Who's more likely to molest a child? A male."
Airlines use similar reasoning when they seat unaccompanied minors only with women. They are trying to decrease the odds of a problem. Certainly, many men would be safe seatmates for kids, but sometimes, especially on overnight flights in darkened cabins, "you have to make generalizations for the safety of a child," says Diana Fairechild, an expert witness in aviation disputes. Airlines have had decades of experience monitoring the gender of abusive seatmates, she adds, quoting a line repeated in airline circles: "No regulation in aviation takes effect without somebody's blood on it."
Most men understand the need to be cautious, so they're willing to take a step back from children, or to change seats on a plane. One abused child is one too many. Still, it's important to maintain perspective. "The number of men who will hurt a child is tiny compared to the population," says Benjamin Radford, who researches statistics on predators and is managing editor of the science magazine Skeptical Inquirer. "Virtually all of the time, if a child is lost or in trouble, he will be safe going to the nearest male stranger."
Email: Jeffrey.Zaslow@wsj.com.
Source: here
Tuesday, May 29, 2007
Just say no to the man tax
NCFM Opposes Harvard Economist's Sexist Man Tax
For Immediate Release
LOS ANGELES/EWORLDWIRE/May 16, 2007 --- The National Coalition of Free Men (NCFM), the oldest and largest men’s rights organization in the United States, vehemently opposes Harvard Professor Alberto Alesina’s recently-proposed man tax.(1)
"A man tax is as wrong as a Jew tax," says NCFM's Marc Angelucci. "They both violate the fundamental Constitutional right to equal protection by unfairly targeting a birth group for discriminatory treatment. "Even aside from equal protection, there is no justification for a man tax." Says Angelucci, men already pay more taxes than women, work more overtime, drive longer commutes, die younger and make 92 percent (2) of occupational deaths in order to provide for their families as they're expected to do.
"Men collect Alesina's garbage, clean his sewers and fix his streets so he can go to his ivory tower job and propose taxing men more." Alesina attempts to justify his "man tax" by citing the "pay gap," a mythical half-truth(3) that does not reflect male privilege but the female privilege of having more options than men. In his book, "Why Men Earn More," bestselling author Warren Farrell, Ph.D. demonstrates that: . At least 25 work-life choices lead to men earning more and women living more balanced lives . Women in surveys prioritized flexibility, fewer hours and shorter drives; men prioritized money . Never-married, childless women earn 17 percent more than their male counterparts . Women outearn men in at least 39 occupations, including science fields like aerospace engineering In what the New York Times called the "opt-out revolution," women are retaining and exercising their option to be primary parents and even seeking primary breadwinner men who allow them that choice. "Alesina's man tax is a hypocritical double-standard that promotes sexism, misandry and gender politics."
SOURCES 1. Alesina's proposal to tax males higher: http://www2.dse.unibo.it/ichino/taxgen12.pdf
2. Men make 92 percent of occupational deaths:
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/cfoi.t04.htm
3. Prof. June O'Neill, Ph.D., former director of Congressional Budget Office, refutes the significance of the "pay gap" in "The Gender Gap in Wages, circa 2000" (5/03), American Economic Review
HTML: http://www.eworldwire.com/pressreleases/17021
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CONTACT:Marc Angelucci
National Coalition of Free Men
P.O. Box 41291 Los Angeles, CA 90041
(818) 907-9383
E-MAIL: marcangelucci@hotmail.com
http://www.ncfmla.org
KEYWORDS: National Coalition of Free Men, men's rights
SOURCE: National Coalition of Free Men
Source: here
For Immediate Release
LOS ANGELES/EWORLDWIRE/May 16, 2007 --- The National Coalition of Free Men (NCFM), the oldest and largest men’s rights organization in the United States, vehemently opposes Harvard Professor Alberto Alesina’s recently-proposed man tax.(1)
"A man tax is as wrong as a Jew tax," says NCFM's Marc Angelucci. "They both violate the fundamental Constitutional right to equal protection by unfairly targeting a birth group for discriminatory treatment. "Even aside from equal protection, there is no justification for a man tax." Says Angelucci, men already pay more taxes than women, work more overtime, drive longer commutes, die younger and make 92 percent (2) of occupational deaths in order to provide for their families as they're expected to do.
"Men collect Alesina's garbage, clean his sewers and fix his streets so he can go to his ivory tower job and propose taxing men more." Alesina attempts to justify his "man tax" by citing the "pay gap," a mythical half-truth(3) that does not reflect male privilege but the female privilege of having more options than men. In his book, "Why Men Earn More," bestselling author Warren Farrell, Ph.D. demonstrates that: . At least 25 work-life choices lead to men earning more and women living more balanced lives . Women in surveys prioritized flexibility, fewer hours and shorter drives; men prioritized money . Never-married, childless women earn 17 percent more than their male counterparts . Women outearn men in at least 39 occupations, including science fields like aerospace engineering In what the New York Times called the "opt-out revolution," women are retaining and exercising their option to be primary parents and even seeking primary breadwinner men who allow them that choice. "Alesina's man tax is a hypocritical double-standard that promotes sexism, misandry and gender politics."
SOURCES 1. Alesina's proposal to tax males higher: http://www2.dse.unibo.it/ichino/taxgen12.pdf
2. Men make 92 percent of occupational deaths:
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/cfoi.t04.htm
3. Prof. June O'Neill, Ph.D., former director of Congressional Budget Office, refutes the significance of the "pay gap" in "The Gender Gap in Wages, circa 2000" (5/03), American Economic Review
HTML: http://www.eworldwire.com/pressreleases/17021
PDF: http://www.eworldwire.com/pdf/17021.pdf
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NEWSROOM RSS FEED: http://newsroom.eworldwire.com/xml/newsrooms/312078.xml
LOGO: http://www.eworldwire.com/newsroom/312078.htm
CONTACT:Marc Angelucci
National Coalition of Free Men
P.O. Box 41291 Los Angeles, CA 90041
(818) 907-9383
E-MAIL: marcangelucci@hotmail.com
http://www.ncfmla.org
KEYWORDS: National Coalition of Free Men, men's rights
SOURCE: National Coalition of Free Men
Source: here
Saturday, March 31, 2007
Get pedophiles? Get rapists? Or get men?
Hold the child up as the most important part of the state for the people will give up their rights for the child.- a paraphrase of Adolf Hitler.
All men are rapists. That is what they are.-Marilyn French.
I was watching "To catch a predator" on MSNBC and they inform the audience that the decoys that lure the men there are not cops but members of some vigilante webgroup called Perverted Justice . Guess what,it seems they only target MEN. In a day and age where WOMEN are violating children and getting insanely light sentences these assholes only target men. Here is some bullshit statistic from their site:
Between 1% and 6% of American men are pedophiles; for unknown reasons, very few women have
the disorder.
Source: American Psychiatric Association
So you can see the mentality of this group. In fact someone brought this up on Salon reader's reponses:
Anon Says:
January 30th, 2007 at 9:05 pm
Why doesn’t Dateline or Perverted Justice ever go after Women? Anyone ever just looked through Myspace and seen how many Bi- Women prey on the young girls?
Check it out. Look at the comments they leave on the YOUNG Girls pictures… that could be OUR Daughters. Many of my TEENAGE daughter’s friends get comments form WOMEN saying they would like to “Lick them all over”
I guess this is an official response from someone in perverted justice since they give the impression that they are. It sounds like a cop out to me:
No one of importance Says:
January 31st, 2007 at 8:09 am
Hi Anon,It’s not for lack of trying, let me assure you that. Remember, we can’t GO AFTER people. Legally, we have to wait for them to come after us. Since 2004, the organization has busted one woman. One. We also don’t profile people based on their sexual orientation (in this case, bisexuality), because doing so is not only discriminatory, but is also an exercise in futility, as doing so would remove all credibility from our organization and allow more pedophiles to roam free. In any case, I would report the stuff that you’ve been seeing to the police. You can make a difference as well.
So let me guess,they only go after straight guys then. Wait a minute. Aren't they targetting someone because of their sexual orientation? Yes,I believe they are. Are they being punished? No,no they are not. In fact they are rewarded with police involvement and community recognition. Now the police are in the act and they are able to scam $30,000 per victim or they put that man in jail and this seems to be good revenue generator,sort of like john stings and speed traps. They also boast about a high conviction rate but that is because they are civilians and there is no such thing as "civilian entrapment". This is an interesting way to conduct the law. They are basically "deputized" when helping the police but become civilians again when the case gets to court and it seems that they don't have to testify in court or else their anonymity is gone. This goes against due process and confronting witnesses against you as they only use the transcript from the chat room to persecute you. One of the men accused said that the decoy BADGERED him into meeting her. Can you say entrapment? Yep. Also a lot of what was featured in the show was one-sided diolouge,against the defendant as we wouldn't want to hurt the persecution's case now would we.
So what are these "good?" people at perverted justice like? Well,according to a watchdog group that keeps an eye on perverted justice called Corrupted Justice .
Here is a couple of excerpts from their site:
Two years ago, the only source of information about Perverted-Justice was the thoroughly "filtered" and often completely falsified information provided by Xavier Von Erck. Over the course of the past two years we have exposed his "historical alterations" on a regular basis - From his assertions that he did not knowingly employ minors in performing graphic sexual chats with men online, to his asinine statements that Perverted-Justice never makes mistakes, to the fact that the majority of Perverted-Justice participants have serious psychological or drug dependency issues. We have provided page after page of completely third-party-verifiable, irrefutable evidence that all is not as the PJ staff would have you
believe.
Unfortunately, their recent partnership with MSNBC and Dateline has only served to give them an air of legitimacy that they absolutely do not deserve. Of course Dateline, with more interest in ratings than truth, completely disregarded the pages and pages of incontrovertible evidence of serious wrongdoings by PJ that were sent to the program’s producers shortly after the first episode aired. It certainly wouldn’t do to have their ratings-generator exposed for the hackers, juvenile delinquents, drug abusers, social misfits and sexual fetishists that they really are…
So they are basically breaking the law themselves to catch others and it seems that their own back yards are cluttered as well but they only see other's behavior and never they're own.
Another misandrist is Julie Posey. She entraps men in chatrooms,she is a P.I. and part-time cop:(note: even the D.A. that is about to be mentioned has his wife montior so-called "molestors". Is she a cop or a convient way for him to skirt the law? I'll bet on the latter.
Check this out:
“Anytime I go into a chat room and portray myself as a young teen,†says Reserve Officer Julie Posey, who is currently with the Wellington (Kan.) Police Department, “I’ll be contacted by 20 to 40 men in the first few minutes. And they’re not saying ‘Hi, how are you?’ They’re saying, ‘Are you naked?’â€
Posey began hunting predators almost 10 years ago as a civilian intern working with Mike Harris, an investigator at the Jefferson County (Colo.) District Attorney’s Office. At that time, Harris was frustrated that there were so few ways to be proactive when it came to preventing child sex assaults. He reasoned that sex offenders were probably hanging out in the same chat rooms that children frequented, and began looking for an Internet-savvy helper. He was put in touch with Posey, and their very first case resulted in the arrest and conviction of Robert Stude, a 36-year-old man who, after only a few Internet chats and phone calls, wired Posey $1,000 to bring her two fictitious kids to Kansas so that he could have sex with them.
Well,I guess we give women a free pass then,huh?
€œI can’t imagine any DA not wanting to do it,†says Posey. “They can see that there’s no entrapment; you’ve just got this guy blabbing on and on that he wants to have sex with a kid. You know he’s got child porn on his computer and, even if you can’t go with state charges, you can still go federal.â€
And if that doesn't work in misandric persecution then try the "civil" route.
Harris, who is still tracking pedophiles online with his wife, Cassandra, reports a 100-percent conviction rate from his arrests, and every one of Posey’s tips and subsequent arrests have led to a conviction. Special Agent Don Condon of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, who has been actively seeking predators online for 10 years, also says that he has never personally lost one of these cases.
I doubt Harris' wife is a cop so there is no "police entrapment" there. Sounds like skirting the law to me.
Entrapment is rarely an issue, mainly because once officers have seized a suspected predator’s computer, they usually find so much other incriminating evidence that it buries the suspect in an avalanche of guilt and the majority of cases end in a plea. In almost every instance, the suspect is in possession of child porn; images, which often number in the thousands and are usually categorized by preference. In addition, many pedophiles keep pictures solely for trade, and they often save chat records and e-mail correspondence.
What happened to the "fruit of a poisoned tree" which made all evidence in that case NON-ADMISSIABLE because of it was "entrapment"? Oh well,I guess that died with the Constitution.
“The defense will occasionally try to attack the case prior to going to trial with, for instance, motions to suppress,†says Condon. “Or they may try to raise an issue as to how the evidence was gathered or how it was maintained.â€
Uh,yeah,because cops alter things,with or without malice.
But these attempts are rarely successful, and few suspects choose to have a jury or judge view their explicit computer chat logs and the graphic photos of children engaged in sexual acts, especially since these predators quite often have families and sometimes high-profile careers.
Ah,yes,the shame factor. They use this in john stings too and they count on the shame causing the defendent to plead guilty.
The vast majority of predators are male. However, there have been cases of mothers willing to sell their children for sex and, oddly enough, McLaughlin’s first case in 1996 involved a woman who was meeting male teens online and participating in cybersex, phone sex, and actual meetings.
Did they treat her like they do the men or did they handle her with kid gloves? (guess which one I'm betting on)
These pedophiles cross all class, cultural, ethnic, and age boundaries. The Keene (N.H.) Police Department has arrested several teachers, a priest, a police officer, a psychologist,and many other prominent members of society.
Were these these teachers female? The vast majority that screw up are. A cop was busted too,how fitting. (That cop supported the matriarchy,he doesn't get my sympathy)
When asked to profile cyber predators, Condon issues a grim laugh. Then he says, “Male and alive.â€
You fucking redneck. Resign from the department you're a disgrace.
“I do this because I was molested as a child,†says Posey, whose years of tracking pedophiles as a civilian inspired the 2003 television movie, “Defending our Kids: the Julie Posey Story,†and whose experience with a serial rapist at age 16 led to her chance meeting with Harris. “I want to prosecute these guys and make sure that they can’t victimize any more kids.â€
Source: Police Mag
Does this woman go after female pedophiles by having someone pose as a young boy? Or does she just unleash her wrath upon men?
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Problems with the links? Try these:
http://www.perverted-justice.com/ - Perverted Justice
http://www.corrupted-justice.com/index.html - Corrupted Justice
http://dir.salon.com/story/tech/feature/2003/09/15/perverted_justice/index.html - Salon article and readers responses.
The Police Mag link works.
All men are rapists. That is what they are.-Marilyn French.
I was watching "To catch a predator" on MSNBC and they inform the audience that the decoys that lure the men there are not cops but members of some vigilante webgroup called Perverted Justice . Guess what,it seems they only target MEN. In a day and age where WOMEN are violating children and getting insanely light sentences these assholes only target men. Here is some bullshit statistic from their site:
the disorder.
Source: American Psychiatric Association
So you can see the mentality of this group. In fact someone brought this up on Salon reader's reponses:
Anon Says:
January 30th, 2007 at 9:05 pm
Why doesn’t Dateline or Perverted Justice ever go after Women? Anyone ever just looked through Myspace and seen how many Bi- Women prey on the young girls?
Check it out. Look at the comments they leave on the YOUNG Girls pictures… that could be OUR Daughters. Many of my TEENAGE daughter’s friends get comments form WOMEN saying they would like to “Lick them all over”
I guess this is an official response from someone in perverted justice since they give the impression that they are. It sounds like a cop out to me:
No one of importance Says:
January 31st, 2007 at 8:09 am
Hi Anon,It’s not for lack of trying, let me assure you that. Remember, we can’t GO AFTER people. Legally, we have to wait for them to come after us. Since 2004, the organization has busted one woman. One. We also don’t profile people based on their sexual orientation (in this case, bisexuality), because doing so is not only discriminatory, but is also an exercise in futility, as doing so would remove all credibility from our organization and allow more pedophiles to roam free. In any case, I would report the stuff that you’ve been seeing to the police. You can make a difference as well.
So let me guess,they only go after straight guys then. Wait a minute. Aren't they targetting someone because of their sexual orientation? Yes,I believe they are. Are they being punished? No,no they are not. In fact they are rewarded with police involvement and community recognition. Now the police are in the act and they are able to scam $30,000 per victim or they put that man in jail and this seems to be good revenue generator,sort of like john stings and speed traps. They also boast about a high conviction rate but that is because they are civilians and there is no such thing as "civilian entrapment". This is an interesting way to conduct the law. They are basically "deputized" when helping the police but become civilians again when the case gets to court and it seems that they don't have to testify in court or else their anonymity is gone. This goes against due process and confronting witnesses against you as they only use the transcript from the chat room to persecute you. One of the men accused said that the decoy BADGERED him into meeting her. Can you say entrapment? Yep. Also a lot of what was featured in the show was one-sided diolouge,against the defendant as we wouldn't want to hurt the persecution's case now would we.
So what are these "good?" people at perverted justice like? Well,according to a watchdog group that keeps an eye on perverted justice called Corrupted Justice .
Here is a couple of excerpts from their site:
Two years ago, the only source of information about Perverted-Justice was the thoroughly "filtered" and often completely falsified information provided by Xavier Von Erck. Over the course of the past two years we have exposed his "historical alterations" on a regular basis - From his assertions that he did not knowingly employ minors in performing graphic sexual chats with men online, to his asinine statements that Perverted-Justice never makes mistakes, to the fact that the majority of Perverted-Justice participants have serious psychological or drug dependency issues. We have provided page after page of completely third-party-verifiable, irrefutable evidence that all is not as the PJ staff would have you
believe.
Unfortunately, their recent partnership with MSNBC and Dateline has only served to give them an air of legitimacy that they absolutely do not deserve. Of course Dateline, with more interest in ratings than truth, completely disregarded the pages and pages of incontrovertible evidence of serious wrongdoings by PJ that were sent to the program’s producers shortly after the first episode aired. It certainly wouldn’t do to have their ratings-generator exposed for the hackers, juvenile delinquents, drug abusers, social misfits and sexual fetishists that they really are…
So they are basically breaking the law themselves to catch others and it seems that their own back yards are cluttered as well but they only see other's behavior and never they're own.
Another misandrist is Julie Posey. She entraps men in chatrooms,she is a P.I. and part-time cop:(note: even the D.A. that is about to be mentioned has his wife montior so-called "molestors". Is she a cop or a convient way for him to skirt the law? I'll bet on the latter.
Check this out:
“Anytime I go into a chat room and portray myself as a young teen,†says Reserve Officer Julie Posey, who is currently with the Wellington (Kan.) Police Department, “I’ll be contacted by 20 to 40 men in the first few minutes. And they’re not saying ‘Hi, how are you?’ They’re saying, ‘Are you naked?’â€
Posey began hunting predators almost 10 years ago as a civilian intern working with Mike Harris, an investigator at the Jefferson County (Colo.) District Attorney’s Office. At that time, Harris was frustrated that there were so few ways to be proactive when it came to preventing child sex assaults. He reasoned that sex offenders were probably hanging out in the same chat rooms that children frequented, and began looking for an Internet-savvy helper. He was put in touch with Posey, and their very first case resulted in the arrest and conviction of Robert Stude, a 36-year-old man who, after only a few Internet chats and phone calls, wired Posey $1,000 to bring her two fictitious kids to Kansas so that he could have sex with them.
Well,I guess we give women a free pass then,huh?
€œI can’t imagine any DA not wanting to do it,†says Posey. “They can see that there’s no entrapment; you’ve just got this guy blabbing on and on that he wants to have sex with a kid. You know he’s got child porn on his computer and, even if you can’t go with state charges, you can still go federal.â€
And if that doesn't work in misandric persecution then try the "civil" route.
Harris, who is still tracking pedophiles online with his wife, Cassandra, reports a 100-percent conviction rate from his arrests, and every one of Posey’s tips and subsequent arrests have led to a conviction. Special Agent Don Condon of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, who has been actively seeking predators online for 10 years, also says that he has never personally lost one of these cases.
I doubt Harris' wife is a cop so there is no "police entrapment" there. Sounds like skirting the law to me.
Entrapment is rarely an issue, mainly because once officers have seized a suspected predator’s computer, they usually find so much other incriminating evidence that it buries the suspect in an avalanche of guilt and the majority of cases end in a plea. In almost every instance, the suspect is in possession of child porn; images, which often number in the thousands and are usually categorized by preference. In addition, many pedophiles keep pictures solely for trade, and they often save chat records and e-mail correspondence.
What happened to the "fruit of a poisoned tree" which made all evidence in that case NON-ADMISSIABLE because of it was "entrapment"? Oh well,I guess that died with the Constitution.
“The defense will occasionally try to attack the case prior to going to trial with, for instance, motions to suppress,†says Condon. “Or they may try to raise an issue as to how the evidence was gathered or how it was maintained.â€
Uh,yeah,because cops alter things,with or without malice.
But these attempts are rarely successful, and few suspects choose to have a jury or judge view their explicit computer chat logs and the graphic photos of children engaged in sexual acts, especially since these predators quite often have families and sometimes high-profile careers.
Ah,yes,the shame factor. They use this in john stings too and they count on the shame causing the defendent to plead guilty.
The vast majority of predators are male. However, there have been cases of mothers willing to sell their children for sex and, oddly enough, McLaughlin’s first case in 1996 involved a woman who was meeting male teens online and participating in cybersex, phone sex, and actual meetings.
Did they treat her like they do the men or did they handle her with kid gloves? (guess which one I'm betting on)
These pedophiles cross all class, cultural, ethnic, and age boundaries. The Keene (N.H.) Police Department has arrested several teachers, a priest, a police officer, a psychologist,and many other prominent members of society.
Were these these teachers female? The vast majority that screw up are. A cop was busted too,how fitting. (That cop supported the matriarchy,he doesn't get my sympathy)
When asked to profile cyber predators, Condon issues a grim laugh. Then he says, “Male and alive.â€
You fucking redneck. Resign from the department you're a disgrace.
“I do this because I was molested as a child,†says Posey, whose years of tracking pedophiles as a civilian inspired the 2003 television movie, “Defending our Kids: the Julie Posey Story,†and whose experience with a serial rapist at age 16 led to her chance meeting with Harris. “I want to prosecute these guys and make sure that they can’t victimize any more kids.â€
Source: Police Mag
Does this woman go after female pedophiles by having someone pose as a young boy? Or does she just unleash her wrath upon men?
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Problems with the links? Try these:
http://www.perverted-justice.com/ - Perverted Justice
http://www.corrupted-justice.com/index.html - Corrupted Justice
http://dir.salon.com/story/tech/feature/2003/09/15/perverted_justice/index.html - Salon article and readers responses.
The Police Mag link works.
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