Ms. magazine is having a campaign to expand the definitions of rape and they lobbying the FBI and the US Attorney General to get them to expand the definition of "rape". Currently both agencies use "forcible rape" as the definition of "rape" which makes sense. The feminists are trying to change the definition to inflate the rape rate and make it sound like a bigger deal than it actually is. If they can get these agencies to expand the definition of "rape" to include a woman regretting her decision to have consensual sex,the woman is too drunk to give consent (who is going to define "too drunk" and how do we define it? Is one sip "too drunk"? Is half a cup? Slippery slope) and/or when the woman retracts consent in the middle of sex and the man takes a nanosecond too long withdrawing. They want to include these things as "rape" too. The reason they are doing this is too inflate the rape numbers and make it sound more widespread than it actually is. That is why we should counterattack and tell these agencies the truth about what the feminists are up to. The FBI cannot be contacted by email but the Attorney General can so when sending email to him let him know that these are the games feminists play. The faster we counteract the feminists the better so don't delay act today.
(UPDATE-Anonymous posted this and it deserves front page attention):
According to this source,
Myths about female sex ofenders
the FBI does not count *any* sexual assault on a man as rape:
"•Carnal knowledge is defined by Black’s Law Dictionary, 6th ed. as “the act of a man having sexual bodily connections with a woman; sexual intercourse.” There is carnal knowledge if there is the slightest penetration of the sexual organ of the female (vagina) by the sexual organ of the male (penis).
•Agencies must not classify statutory rape, incest, or other sex offenses, i.e. forcible sodomy, sexual assault with an object, forcible fondling, etc. as Forcible Rape
•By definition, sexual attacks on males are excluded from the rape category and must be classified as assaults or other sex offenses depending on the nature of the crime and the extent of injury."
Maybe we *should* insist that the defintion of "forcible rape" should be expanded to include women raping men, such as female caregivers attacking toddlers, and also men getting raped in prison.
Be careful what you wish for. ladies, you might get more than you bargained for.
Saturday, July 30, 2011
Friday, July 29, 2011
Petition to amend the UN circumcision policy
There is a petition addressed to UNAIDS and WHO urging them to stop promoting the misconception that circumcision decreases the risk of catching AIDS. The petition is sponsored by Intact America-an anti-circumcision group. I let them take it from here:
ACT NOW! TELL UNAIDS AND THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION:
CIRCUMCISION DOES NOT PREVENT AIDS!
Intact America was in Rome last week for the annual International AIDS Society Conference (IAS 2011). We spoke with hundreds of key influencers and policy makers, sharing the critical message that circumcision does not prevent the spread of HIV/AIDS.
It's critical that UNAIDS (Joint United Nations Programme on HIV/AIDS) and the World Health Organization (WHO) stop supporting mass circumcisions, and accept the fact that there are other, better ways to fight the HIV epidemic. We've created a petition to help them get that message.
Will you make your voice heard, and sign our petition today?
We need your help to make sure that UNAIDS and WHO get the message that the mass practice of circumcision is an unethical and dangerous distraction in the battle against HIV and AIDS.
If you hate circumcisions and it's a hot button topic for you then this petition is perfect and it's a great way to make your views be known so if that appeals to you sign it today.
ACT NOW! TELL UNAIDS AND THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION:
CIRCUMCISION DOES NOT PREVENT AIDS!
Intact America was in Rome last week for the annual International AIDS Society Conference (IAS 2011). We spoke with hundreds of key influencers and policy makers, sharing the critical message that circumcision does not prevent the spread of HIV/AIDS.
It's critical that UNAIDS (Joint United Nations Programme on HIV/AIDS) and the World Health Organization (WHO) stop supporting mass circumcisions, and accept the fact that there are other, better ways to fight the HIV epidemic. We've created a petition to help them get that message.
Will you make your voice heard, and sign our petition today?
We need your help to make sure that UNAIDS and WHO get the message that the mass practice of circumcision is an unethical and dangerous distraction in the battle against HIV and AIDS.
If you hate circumcisions and it's a hot button topic for you then this petition is perfect and it's a great way to make your views be known so if that appeals to you sign it today.
Intrusive congresspersons
There are a lot of bad people in Washington DC and Congressman Lamar Smith is one of them. Congressman Smith has drafted a bill mislabelled "Protecting Children from Internet Pornographers Act of 2011" also known as HR 1981. This bill will do anything but protect children. America,do you know who said the state should hold up the child as the most important part of a country and that people would sacrifice their rights for the child? It was a world leader,do you know which one? Give up? It was Adolf Hitler who said that so you may want to keep that in mind the next time someone in an authoritative position uses the phrases "for the children" or "in the best interests of the children". HR 1981 will in reality increase government power over the people. I'll let Demand Progress take it from here:
URGENT: Congress Pushing Broad New Internet Snooping Bill "A direct assault on Internet users" is what the ACLU is calling it. Yesterday a U.S. House committee approved HR 1981, a broad new Internet snooping bill. They want to force Internet service providers to keep track of and retain their customers' information -- including your name, address, phone number, credit card numbers, bank account numbers, and temporarily-assigned IP addresses.
The American Civil Liberties Union, the American Library Association, the Electronic Frontier Foundation, Demand Progress, and 25 other civil liberties and privacy groups have expressed our opposition to this legislation. Will you join us, by emailing your lawmakers today? Just use the form at right.
They've shamelessly dubbed it the "Protecting Children From Internet Pornographers Act," but our staunchest allies in Congress are calling it what it is: an all-encompassing Internet snooping bill. ISPs would collect and retain your data whether or not you're accused of a crime.
CNet Reports:
Rep. Zoe Lofgren of California, who led Democratic opposition to the bill said, "'It represents a data bank of every digital act by every American' that would 'let us find out where every single American visited Web sites."
"The bill is mislabeled," said Rep. John Conyers of Michigan, the senior Democrat on the panel. "This is not protecting children from Internet pornography. It's creating a database for everybody in this country for a lot of other purposes."
I'm glad this draconian bill is facing opposition. Perhaps it would be wise to contact Congresswoman Zoe Lofgren and Congressman John Conyers and thank them for standing up to this civil liberties killer of a bill. Also it would probably be a good idea to contact Congressman Lamar Smith and take him to the woodshed on this bill. This bill is very un-American and should be shot down as soon as possible. Protect your freedoms so oppose this bill right away. Also Congressman Smith's partner on this bill is Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz you may want to give her a piece of your mind while your at it. Don't delay act today.
Wednesday, July 27, 2011
Our detractors
I for one love the MRM and the wonderful things that we can accomplish but there are those,women and manginas,that hate us.
Who hates us,Masc?
I'm glad you brought that up. There are three known blogs that are hating on us. First up is some bitch who started ragging on us with this:
My problems with MRA's and PUA's
April 26, 2011
I first encountered MRA’s and gamers 2 to 3 years ago (I was roughly 15 or 16). I started
browsing InMalaFide, Spearhead, Roosh and Roissy but then something started brewing.
Something often baffling. At first they started attacking feminism and other ills but all of
the sudden they started opposing and even blaming the wrongs of our society on traditional
conservatives and reactionaries. They called me a female arrogant supremacist, that I wanted
to shackle them, trick them and how marriage is slavery. That conservatives “pedestalize”
women and how we are influenced by ‘Victorian ideals’ of womanhood. I realized that while
they had some great insight on occasion, many times they were despicable. These days I only
go to Grerp, OmegaVirginRevolt, ElusiveWapiti, Dalrock and websites alike instead of other
websites on the manosphere. They have lost my support due to their altogether misguided
notions and pessimism. In all MRA’s and gamers are not a reaction against feminism. They
only reject one strand of liberalism while accepting the worldview as a whole (and we all
know how that turns out). They, not traditional conservatives, are the mirror image of
feminists.
http://ozconservative.blogspot.com/2010/05/revealing-political-profiles.html
http://ozconservative.blogspot.com/2010/12/separatism-is-wrong-turn.html
http://onestdv.blogspot.com/2011/04/anti-family-attitude-of-manosphere.html
http://www.thinkinghousewife.com/wp/2011/02/the-bullies-speak/
http://www.thinkinghousewife.com/wp/2011/02/excommunicated-yet-again/
http://omegavirginrevolt.wordpress.com/2011/04/06/a-lot-of-truth/
Entry filed under: Gender Studies. Tags: .
Conservatives and traditionalists are feminist enablers if they weren't Sarah Palin wouldn't have gone anywhere near the feminist label she embraces and if conservatives and other traditionalists weren't feminist enablers characters like Sean Hannity wouldn't be playing the pro-woman card every time he gets the chance. So if conservatives/traditionalists are going to sell the bullshit line that they are different than their liberal counterparts when it comes to gender issues they better take that sales pitch down the line because I can tell you one thing and that is a lot of MRA's are not buying that bullshit so go sell it somewhere else.
Next we have some mangina that goes by the handle onestdv or maybe it's "onewithstd's",whatever. This is what he and his followers have said:
In my post entitled Anti-Family Attitude of Manosphere, a commenter predictably deemed me the MRA equivalent of a small-penis loser who lives in his mom's basement:
Your true colors are showing. A palid shade of white knight...
Of course, I saw this type of baseless invective coming. Because after all, many MRAs exist
as feminist doppelgangers, eager to shame and insult anyone who doesn't agree with their
gender hatred. This largely explains why many have turned away from The Spearhead. But as
with the perennially unsatisfied anti-racists, MRAs accept nothing less than full acceptance
of their creed. Unless one is ideologically pure, a standard that they move capriciously and
frequently, you're a despicable "white knight".
So just for kicks, let's review what has made me this sort of spineless fellow. Let's see
what unreasonable positions I took in the aforementioned post:
1) The nuclear family is the bedrock of civilization.
2) Women are valuable as more than just prostitutes.
3) A romantic relationship has more benefits than just physical pleasure.
4) Marriage has risks, but sometimes they're very much worth it.
5) Fatherhood is a rewarding experience integral to the emotional health of children.
6) (Modern SWPL) Women can be petulant, mannish, and entitled, but also uniquely endearing
as only feminine women can be.
7) MRAs express a female-like neuroticism because they whine and focus so much on what could
happen.
8) A return to patriarchy should be the goal, not men going their own way.
Pretty outlandish stuff, right? But you can never satisfy the MRAs who legitimately hate
women, even when I countenance a return to patriarchy where, in the words of the mainstream,
I want to banish women back to the kitchen. These men, in a position that should stupefy any
reasonable individual, don't see men and women as two necessary components of a stable
society; they actually think "going their own way" will somehow work. Or the really funny
ones that think robots can replace real women. I wonder how many of them have Real Dolls
already.
So where does this come from? I imagine they're gay (destroy heterosexuality as a means of
normalizing homosexuality), bitter (people hate what they're not good at), anti-white
(destroy American whites as a collective by undermining the basic unit the family and trying
to divert the focus to white feminists instead of NAMs), or jealous (if they can't get any,
no one should).
Posted by OneSTDV at 11:20 AM
Labels: Blogosphere, Feminism, Gender
Sounds like this mangina hates the "white knight" label. Too bad you don't like it because you earned it. If you are expecting followers of this moron to be any smarter don't hold your breath,especially when you take a look at the following:
Chicago said...
I don't think there's very many men in the so-called "manosphere"; they cry a bit too much
for my taste.
Sure, there's issues of divorce law inequity and so on but is that all that's really going
on here? Why the neurotic, obsessive fixation on the supposed gender war?
The guy that says paying a series of hookers is preferable to having a reliable spouse (or
girlfriend) is out of it. What, was his own mother a hooker? Would he have preferred that as
his inheritance?
Lots of people out there with all kinds of hangups. They just elevate it all to some
seemingly rational sounding school of thought where they get to petulantly lash out at those
they find threatening.
5/01/2011 12:59 PM
Unlike traditionalists MRA's are opposed to being slaves to a system that despises them and unlike conservatives/traditionalists MRA's see the beast aka the matriarchy for the evil that it truly is. Conservatives/traditionalists will be the last ones to acknowledge that the matriarchal queen is evil and they will pay dearly for this folly.
Cul-De-Sac Hero said...
MRA's need a good kick in the pants to smarten them up. The similarities between some MRA's
and the most extreme feminist man-haters is obvious to reasonable readers and threatens to
undermine the movement before it can accomplish any of it's laudable and necessary goals.
MGTOW may be a viable personal choice but sounds more like a way of rationalizing one's lack
of dates or justifying one's loneliness and subsequent bitterness. It certainly is not a
viable political movement.
5/01/2011 1:30 PM
No,I believe it is conservatives/traditionalists that need the slapping upside the head to make them acknowledge the evil side of women and like most right wing brain dead idiots they would rather go through hell than acknowledge this fact. Not a viable political movement? Tell that to Mary N. Kellett. Tell it to Sharon Osbourne. Not a viable political movement my ass.
Novaseeker said...
What you're writing about MRA's could easily be written about social and Christian
reactionaries who curse modernity with a passion; they would even want to do away with all
of modernity's blessings if it would mean the end of modernity's irritants. I mean, really,
excepting racial preferences and mass immigration from the Third World is it all really that
bad in the West? I beg to differ.
This is the perspective I'm coming around to myself as well.
What we have on the internet are a lot of malcontents with the current setup. The
differences between them are (1) what they see as the source of their malcontent and (2)
what they see as the solution to their malcontent. And, in general, they disagree bitterly
and vehemently with each other over their respective utopian visions of return to a better
world before "X" happened.
That's not going to work, folks.
There are MRAs who are doing real activism work like Glenn Sacks. To me, that's "real" MRA
-- actually lobbying to change some of the laws incrementally (as it tends to work in our
system), rather than writing endless critiques of the current system in the blogosphere and
hoping for some kind of systemic collapse. So many people are highly invested in the idea
that a collapse is imminent -- MRAs, Trads, WNs, racists/anti-racists/anti-anti-racists,
garden variety nihilists like FB, and various strains of extremes on the left and the right
alike. Bide you time, hope for a collapse, and then we can be rid of "X" that we dislike
about contemporary society, and all will be well (or at least better). This corner of the
internet has become a bit unhinged, really.
A far better approach, it seems to me, is to engage with the current reality on its own
terms. You don't have to like the current setup, but you do have to live in it. Even if you
MGTOW, you're still a part of the "system", and don't kid yourself into thinking that there
is a huge groundswell of men doing MGTOW, because there isn't, and there never will be. And
if you're a patriarchal advocate, that's fine and well if you can pull that off in your own
private life despite the general mores, but the general mores themselves are not going to
become patriarchal again anytime soon, regardless of what you advocate. The pendulum hasn't
even gotten to the end of its anti-patriarchal swing yet, frankly. Things are still
progressing further and further away from patriarchy and its norms, and this does not seem
to be slowing down.
Reality is what it is. We don't have to follow social norms if we don't like them. But
building one's life and ideology and worldview around the idea that the current world setup
must collapse in order for things to be okay. Like it or lump it, we need to engage the
world that we have on its terms in whatever way makes sense to us. Just live your lives in a
way that makes sense. Scared of getting married? Fine, then don't get married. Don't like
NAMs? Fine, then vote for people who oppose immigration and don't live around NAMs. But the
fact that you don't want to get married or that you don't like NAMs will not change the
current setup one bit. It's much bigger than you, and far bigger than the discontent that
comes spewing from this corner of the internet on a regular basis.
5/01/2011 3:12 PM
Glenn Sacks is an excellent example but then again so is Harry Crouch,president of the NCFM,Paul Elam,myself and other MRA's that are activist or work behind the scenes to make it a better world for men so let's not forget them.
Whiskey said...
MRA's don't offer a social solution to the problem. Which is the failure to replicate the
nuclear family down this generation. If men go their own way or not, the size of that population is trivial. It would not matter if they went 19th Century Mormon with twelve wives or had no children or girlfriends at all.
What matters is restarting the Nuclear Family above all. Charles Murray is pessimistic for
the Working Class which has abandoned it among Whites, and says the Middle Class is sliding
that way. Only the upper class among Whites retains the Nuclear Family values and behavior.
5/01/2011 3:16 PM
Whiskey said...
Ultimately I'd add that MGTOW, MRA are completely irrelevant. Sperm is cheap, eggs are
expensive. Women alone matter, men do not. Men will be whatever kind of man women want them to be. Since Women decide, and men do not. Outside of a repressive Muslim society anyway
which "solves" that problem akin to getting rid of a wart on your foot by cutting off your
foot.
I am not optimistic on the central problem of restarting the nuclear family among Working
Class Whites and Middle Class Whites (Charles Murray notes that only the Upper Classes among
Whites have strong nuclear families, the Working Class has abandoned it and the Middle Class
is in the process). I don't think most White women absent the goodies that UPPER CLASS White
men produce, can be persuaded to trade a "boring" nuclear family against "sexy" single
motherhood with shared Alpha males.
I'll note that choice first came upon Black women, they chose Sexy. Then Hispanic women (if
you trace illegitimacy rates against time, there is a huge change/jump for each cohort).
Driving a BMW and vacationing at Jackson Hole over Christmas is worth putting up with
forgone Sexy. The suburbs (which I consider along with Sailer from 1955-1986 to be pure
paradise for the average guy) not so much.
5/01/2011 3:22 PM
Want to hear something ironic? Whiskey is a Spearhead contributor. Does Wilmer know about these posts?
Walenty Lisek said...
"The guy that says paying a series of hookers is preferable to having a reliable spouse (or
girlfriend) is out of it."
When it comes to the men who talk like this I assume their sexual market value is low and by
low I mean like those "true forced loneliness" guys.
At the start of the video below you can see what a few of them look like. If they can get
women at all, those women would be so undesirable that a hooker may very well be preferable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xg8nek158w
These kinds of men don't earn our pity but rather they earn our reflexive disgust. You can
judge a book by it's cover and these guys look fucked up.
5/01/2011 4:49 PM
Ever breakdown the word "assume"? Let's do it: when you "assume" you make an "ass" out of "u" and "me". The way you conservative/traditional assholes brag about how your way of life is better than anyone else's surely means that you guys have a wife and kids and very good home life. Right? Right? *rolls eyes* Jackasses.
PA said...
-- I mean, really, excepting ... mass immigration from the Third World is it all really that
bad in the West?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?"
Besides mass non-white immigration, EVERY other problem this sphere discusses would be
self-correcting. Every single one: misandry, low birthrates, hypergamy, political
correctness, black crime, and so on.
That's why race/immigration is in my opinion THE most important problem, and I have little
interest in MRAs who argue that men across races are to form an adversarial front against
women as women.
Novaseeker, I like your comment here and yesterday at Chuck's by the way. I disagree with
your apparent acceptance of the inevitability of global pressures on lower-class Americans,
but your perspective gave me quite a bit to think about and an opportunity to recalibrate my
approach a bit.
-- What we have on the internet are a lot of malcontents with the current setup. ... That's
not going to work, folks.
There are malcontents, wierdos, and omegas in the Sphere, no doubt. Apocalypse-porn addicts
are prevalent here too. Nonwithstanding, there is a lot of very good dialogue on these
blogs, and malcontentment is not the first thing I notice -- what I notice is passion for
change and a clear-eyed understanding of problems that face our society.
These discussions aren't mere bitching sessions. They serve the cause by honing our
persepctive and argumentation skills; they let us know that contra media/education complex,
we're not alone in thinking what we're thinking.
Also importantly, these alt-right blogs have real-life impact in that they filter up to
people in positions of influence like activists, journos, politicians possibly, who borrow
Roissy's or Sailer's arguments.
-- I am not optimistic ...
Really, Whiskey? you don't say...
5/01/2011 5:55 PM
This guy sounds like those white nationalists nuts that better stay the hell out of our movement. I have addressed black-on-white crime but I've also acknowledged the plight of the black man so I like to think I'm being fair about it. The white nationalists are a lot different than that,they will beat up a non-white man and kiss white female ass. They will especially beat up a non-white man because a white female put them up to it. They can stay in the conservative/traditional camp as far as I'm concerned because if they come over to us with those views they won't like the reception.
Anonymous said...
"The pendulum hasn't even gotten to the end of its anti-patriarchal swing yet, frankly.
Things are still progressing further and further away from patriarchy and its norms, and
this does not seem to be slowing down."
It doesn't matter what percent of women are sluts. It just matters how many children smart
women of good character have. There is no other source for good people than good people.
5/01/2011 5:59 PM
Who are these "good women" and how are they different than the sluts? It is difficult to tell the difference between the two and if you fall prey to a convincing liar you are fucked. I suggest the conservatives/traditionalists take the red pill and take it right away. The faster the better.
PA said...
There is also a vocal contingent of MRAs whose roots are in non-Western countries. There is
often a palpable contempt for women as women in their rhetoric. This point of view is very
alien to a European, culturally-Christian man, who traditionally sees women as as partners
and helpmeets subordinate to us as men but equal as human beings and before God.
Meanwhile, non-Westerners, even those from high-functioning backgrounds, generally treated
women as chattle and that sort of twerpish attitude comes through loudly.
5/01/2011 6:27 PM
So does your fucking ignorance. Helpmates? Where the fuck have you been? Guess who files the majority of divorces on the flimsiest of grounds? Your helpmate,that's who. Maybe these non-western MRA's that you spit on have a better understanding of women than you do.
OneSTDV said...
As always, great comments PA.
HalfSigma likes to talk about people possessing gravity and I always think of that adjective
when reading your comments.
That's why race/immigration is in my opinion THE most important problem, and I have little
interest in MRAs who argue that men across races are to form an adversarial front against
women as women.
Of course. I supported this idea in a thread awhile back at In Mala Fide and boy did some of
them get angry. And this is why I added in the non-white motivation at the bottom of this
post.
I believe Chuck has come to understand this as well (I originally thought of him as a gender
blogger and even though he eviscerates them frequently, I'm pretty sure he agrees.)
5/01/2011 7:11 PM
Every man is in the same boat today regardless of color and the conservos/trads don't give a shit but did they ever? No,so fuck them. Like I said earlier if the conservos/trads want to practice racism keep in their own camp because we don't want it anywhere near us.
Guess who else is a detractor of ours lately? Yep,it is Roissy and he said the following:
Men truly going their own, vagina-free, way (and not simply men trying to score internet debate points by claiming to go their own way but still banging on the sly) are likely mating market losers who find comfort in pretending to wish away the allure of women. No one’s buying it, just as no one buys the claptrap by fat feminists insisting that fat women are lusted after by winner men and only social conditioning prevents these men from dating all the grotesque and ill-mannered fatties they really desire.
Roissy,like most PUA's,is a mangina pussy begger. His type seeks approval from women. The only difference between him and the conscious men crowd is that the conscious men crowd can at least acknowledge they are slaves to pussy whereas guys like Roissy like to think that they are in control of women. Game only works as long as women allow it to and if they put their foot down and refuse to abide in it no amount of game is going to accomplish your goals. A lot of PUA's forget this and think they are in charge when in reality it is the woman who is in charge. Also keep in mind that game can be a fasttrack to a prison cell if she hits you with a false rape charge. Something you may want to keep in mind the next time you use game.
Let's see some of the pearls of wisdom his readers post:
Master Dogen-on July 23, 2011 at 3:45 pm
“Men going their own way” should go whole hog and join a religious community, or become serious scholars of something difficult, like ancient Anglo-Saxon poetry or something.
There have always been men in the West who “went their own way.” The thing is, they used to be respectable, interesting, occasionally even holy people. Now they just make a lot of cheap, hyperbolic noise on websites with poor graphic design.
It's strange that Dogen should mention that because that is exactly whom Roissy chose to align himself with,religious fanatics. Don't politics make strange bedfellows.
Artem on July 23, 2011 at 6:10 pm
What’s the difference between a PUA and an MRA?
An emphasis on results in one’s chosen endeavor.
A PUA ruthlessly examines every aspect of his game with the goal of improving his results.
Too many MRAs seem unconcerned that for all their ‘activism’, so feminist seems even remotely worried that MRAs will hold them accountable.
What results have MRAs delivered towards their stated goals?
I've mentioned two that are scared to death of us but if you must know we are currently trying to get VAWA amended. The amended version of VAWA is the PVRA and we are lobbying bigtime on that one. Like I said false accusations are as common as beer in a bar so if you are a PUA you may want to keep your attorney on speeddial.
Doug1-on July 24, 2011 at 1:12 am
What’s the difference between a PUA and an MRA?
Laying girls or not.
I don't need women to reaffirm my manhood. Can you say the same,Doug? Nope,didn't think so.
Neil Hansen-on July 23, 2011 at 4:23 pm
It’s not really a manifesto so much as it’s just a list of truths. MGTOW isn’t possible unless you use prostitutes. No man can go without pussy, unless he is a monk.
I went for coffee today in the trendy spot of my west coast city. Lots of SWPL men and women covered from head to tie with tattoos and piercings. If I had any advice for men today, it would be that women, for whatever reason, genuinely want to be regarded as “hoes.” I do not know what explains this phenomenon. Children are the last thing on a woman’s mind, unless she can have them on her terms, like Madonna. Men are simply optional sperm donors to today’s woman. It actually isn’t that bad for men if women don’t really value men as fathers for their children. We just simply pump n dump and pay the monthly $500 and move on to the next bang. Women get complete control of their vaginas. Not a bad trade-off. So long as women seem to have no concern about the future of society or their children, this is how things will be. And there is some data suggesting that children from single-parent families fare just fine. Mind you I am in an affluent west coast city full of whites and asians. The asian women are not yet ready to be regarded as full-blown “hoes”, so they aren’t sporting the tats and piercing – yet. But the white girls are ready…boy, are they ready. I will admit that single motherhood for latins and blacks is the kiss of death. Gangs and violence will surely follow. For wealthy whites, art school and cinematography follows.
Patriarchy isn’t coming back, not in my lifetime anyway. So I wouldn’t suggest MGTOW; that isn’t possible. I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again: you don’t even necessarily need game. There are millions of girls in the Phlippines that need loving. If you don’t have game, just save your money and take your vacay in the Phils. A single man can save $20,000 per year. Play video games and get a happy-ending massage from time to time. Make sure you get your Twinrix and Gardasil shots to help prevent STD’s. In the meantime think of your house you can build on the beach in the Philippines.
There is no need to go the way of Sodini. There is no need for MGTOW. I know too many guys with multiple girlfriends in the Phils, Thailand and Indonesia to keep an average man happy.
Yes, I am a little sad that modern women only want to be recognized for their pussies. As I said, I cannot explain this phenomenon. For two centuries they fought against this, and wanted to be valued for their brains. It is indeed a strange world. So when I look at them and see them covered in tats and slut uniforms, I am perplexed. But….fuck it. Save your money boys and dream of SE Asian pussy! There is lots of it!
Then again, you can learn game. Only about 5 or 10% of the male population knows how to practice it successfully. Me, I am too lazy. And the pussy isn’t really worth the effort. It’s just too easy to get a massage and a bj once a month or bimonthly. If this disgusts you, your only hope is Game. Game requires effort and conscious work. And practice. You need to be socially plugged in. Where do you work? Do you have status? You cannot have Game and also be devoid of some status. You cannot have Game and simply work as a shlub somewhere; your work needs to have some Status, witha capital S.
Great post, Roissy. Discrediting MRA and MGTOW needs to happen. MGTOW isn’t possible. MRA is the equivalent of feminism. Game is the only solution, but if you don’t have it, I have a solution of my own:
ASIA.
If there is anyone who is as braindead as Roissy is it is Neil Hansen. I guess these assholes call themselves "pick up artists" because the term "pussy beggers" is demeaning to them. Demeaning but accurate. Asia? Catherine Kieu Becker is from Asia and look what she did to her husband. If you call that "paradise" then you and I have different defintions of "paradise".
Artem-on July 23, 2011 at 6:01 pm
I do agree that a lot of MRAs are whiners. For one thing, for all their ‘activism’, feminists never worry about getting in trouble with MRAs for saying something misandric on national TV.
So MRAs are not really a pressure group if no feminist or mangina is afraid of being held to account by MRAs.
You're wrong and I've already addressed this.
Betadyermom on July 24, 2011 at 11:45 am
MRA seems to be mostly an internet circlejerk which is self-contained in their own little corner of the blogsphere. There doesn’t seem to be whole lot of “advocacy” going on — there’s no organization, no spokesmen, no media talking points, very few allies in academia, etc.
Seems like a lot of MRAs use it as a form of therapy. So, yeah, they come off as whiners — a lot of complaining and not a whole lot of action.
Open your eyes,close your mouth and maybe you'll learn something.
xsplat on July 24, 2011 at 2:13 pm
a lot of complaining and not a whole lot of action.
This is the center of it.
MRAs want to fix the problem. So they talk about what the problem is. Never realizing that social problems don’t have social causes – they have technical causes. Human culture is embedded in the modes of production and other tehnological facets that now make up how it functions.
MRAs can not even see the causes, let alone agree on what effects they’d like to see.
PUAs don’t have to know what the causes are, they are clear what effect they want, and they work towards that. It’s very personal, and achievable, on an individual level.
At least I'm not on the road to getting an STD. Can you say that? You're not one of us and we know how to stratigize to go after our goals so shut the fuck up.
Old Guy-on July 23, 2011 at 8:40 pm
Being a father has its good days and bad days. It is a complex game to play well, and a very expensive hobby. It can become a horror show for the unwilling forced to play. I advise young men to be careful where they plant their seed.
I only discovered the MRM in the last few months, though I have realized the need for men’s liberation for a long time. Unfortunately, the least marketable types seem to be the face of the movement; the whiny bitch MGTOWs and the woman haters.
We seem to be going great guns,not bad for a bunch of misogynists.
I don't know why Roissy and the religious right is on our shit but if the feminists put them up to it then it is very telling of them and where their loyalties are and if feminists are responsible for this it just goes to show we are getting their attention and they are getting very scared. Not only scared it seems but desperate as well. So what do we do? Stay the course and achieve our goals,that's what we do.
Who hates us,Masc?
I'm glad you brought that up. There are three known blogs that are hating on us. First up is some bitch who started ragging on us with this:
My problems with MRA's and PUA's
April 26, 2011
I first encountered MRA’s and gamers 2 to 3 years ago (I was roughly 15 or 16). I started
browsing InMalaFide, Spearhead, Roosh and Roissy but then something started brewing.
Something often baffling. At first they started attacking feminism and other ills but all of
the sudden they started opposing and even blaming the wrongs of our society on traditional
conservatives and reactionaries. They called me a female arrogant supremacist, that I wanted
to shackle them, trick them and how marriage is slavery. That conservatives “pedestalize”
women and how we are influenced by ‘Victorian ideals’ of womanhood. I realized that while
they had some great insight on occasion, many times they were despicable. These days I only
go to Grerp, OmegaVirginRevolt, ElusiveWapiti, Dalrock and websites alike instead of other
websites on the manosphere. They have lost my support due to their altogether misguided
notions and pessimism. In all MRA’s and gamers are not a reaction against feminism. They
only reject one strand of liberalism while accepting the worldview as a whole (and we all
know how that turns out). They, not traditional conservatives, are the mirror image of
feminists.
http://ozconservative.blogspot.com/2010/05/revealing-political-profiles.html
http://ozconservative.blogspot.com/2010/12/separatism-is-wrong-turn.html
http://onestdv.blogspot.com/2011/04/anti-family-attitude-of-manosphere.html
http://www.thinkinghousewife.com/wp/2011/02/the-bullies-speak/
http://www.thinkinghousewife.com/wp/2011/02/excommunicated-yet-again/
http://omegavirginrevolt.wordpress.com/2011/04/06/a-lot-of-truth/
Entry filed under: Gender Studies. Tags: .
Conservatives and traditionalists are feminist enablers if they weren't Sarah Palin wouldn't have gone anywhere near the feminist label she embraces and if conservatives and other traditionalists weren't feminist enablers characters like Sean Hannity wouldn't be playing the pro-woman card every time he gets the chance. So if conservatives/traditionalists are going to sell the bullshit line that they are different than their liberal counterparts when it comes to gender issues they better take that sales pitch down the line because I can tell you one thing and that is a lot of MRA's are not buying that bullshit so go sell it somewhere else.
Next we have some mangina that goes by the handle onestdv or maybe it's "onewithstd's",whatever. This is what he and his followers have said:
In my post entitled Anti-Family Attitude of Manosphere, a commenter predictably deemed me the MRA equivalent of a small-penis loser who lives in his mom's basement:
Your true colors are showing. A palid shade of white knight...
Of course, I saw this type of baseless invective coming. Because after all, many MRAs exist
as feminist doppelgangers, eager to shame and insult anyone who doesn't agree with their
gender hatred. This largely explains why many have turned away from The Spearhead. But as
with the perennially unsatisfied anti-racists, MRAs accept nothing less than full acceptance
of their creed. Unless one is ideologically pure, a standard that they move capriciously and
frequently, you're a despicable "white knight".
So just for kicks, let's review what has made me this sort of spineless fellow. Let's see
what unreasonable positions I took in the aforementioned post:
1) The nuclear family is the bedrock of civilization.
2) Women are valuable as more than just prostitutes.
3) A romantic relationship has more benefits than just physical pleasure.
4) Marriage has risks, but sometimes they're very much worth it.
5) Fatherhood is a rewarding experience integral to the emotional health of children.
6) (Modern SWPL) Women can be petulant, mannish, and entitled, but also uniquely endearing
as only feminine women can be.
7) MRAs express a female-like neuroticism because they whine and focus so much on what could
happen.
8) A return to patriarchy should be the goal, not men going their own way.
Pretty outlandish stuff, right? But you can never satisfy the MRAs who legitimately hate
women, even when I countenance a return to patriarchy where, in the words of the mainstream,
I want to banish women back to the kitchen. These men, in a position that should stupefy any
reasonable individual, don't see men and women as two necessary components of a stable
society; they actually think "going their own way" will somehow work. Or the really funny
ones that think robots can replace real women. I wonder how many of them have Real Dolls
already.
So where does this come from? I imagine they're gay (destroy heterosexuality as a means of
normalizing homosexuality), bitter (people hate what they're not good at), anti-white
(destroy American whites as a collective by undermining the basic unit the family and trying
to divert the focus to white feminists instead of NAMs), or jealous (if they can't get any,
no one should).
Posted by OneSTDV at 11:20 AM
Labels: Blogosphere, Feminism, Gender
Sounds like this mangina hates the "white knight" label. Too bad you don't like it because you earned it. If you are expecting followers of this moron to be any smarter don't hold your breath,especially when you take a look at the following:
Chicago said...
I don't think there's very many men in the so-called "manosphere"; they cry a bit too much
for my taste.
Sure, there's issues of divorce law inequity and so on but is that all that's really going
on here? Why the neurotic, obsessive fixation on the supposed gender war?
The guy that says paying a series of hookers is preferable to having a reliable spouse (or
girlfriend) is out of it. What, was his own mother a hooker? Would he have preferred that as
his inheritance?
Lots of people out there with all kinds of hangups. They just elevate it all to some
seemingly rational sounding school of thought where they get to petulantly lash out at those
they find threatening.
5/01/2011 12:59 PM
Unlike traditionalists MRA's are opposed to being slaves to a system that despises them and unlike conservatives/traditionalists MRA's see the beast aka the matriarchy for the evil that it truly is. Conservatives/traditionalists will be the last ones to acknowledge that the matriarchal queen is evil and they will pay dearly for this folly.
Cul-De-Sac Hero said...
MRA's need a good kick in the pants to smarten them up. The similarities between some MRA's
and the most extreme feminist man-haters is obvious to reasonable readers and threatens to
undermine the movement before it can accomplish any of it's laudable and necessary goals.
MGTOW may be a viable personal choice but sounds more like a way of rationalizing one's lack
of dates or justifying one's loneliness and subsequent bitterness. It certainly is not a
viable political movement.
5/01/2011 1:30 PM
No,I believe it is conservatives/traditionalists that need the slapping upside the head to make them acknowledge the evil side of women and like most right wing brain dead idiots they would rather go through hell than acknowledge this fact. Not a viable political movement? Tell that to Mary N. Kellett. Tell it to Sharon Osbourne. Not a viable political movement my ass.
Novaseeker said...
What you're writing about MRA's could easily be written about social and Christian
reactionaries who curse modernity with a passion; they would even want to do away with all
of modernity's blessings if it would mean the end of modernity's irritants. I mean, really,
excepting racial preferences and mass immigration from the Third World is it all really that
bad in the West? I beg to differ.
This is the perspective I'm coming around to myself as well.
What we have on the internet are a lot of malcontents with the current setup. The
differences between them are (1) what they see as the source of their malcontent and (2)
what they see as the solution to their malcontent. And, in general, they disagree bitterly
and vehemently with each other over their respective utopian visions of return to a better
world before "X" happened.
That's not going to work, folks.
There are MRAs who are doing real activism work like Glenn Sacks. To me, that's "real" MRA
-- actually lobbying to change some of the laws incrementally (as it tends to work in our
system), rather than writing endless critiques of the current system in the blogosphere and
hoping for some kind of systemic collapse. So many people are highly invested in the idea
that a collapse is imminent -- MRAs, Trads, WNs, racists/anti-racists/anti-anti-racists,
garden variety nihilists like FB, and various strains of extremes on the left and the right
alike. Bide you time, hope for a collapse, and then we can be rid of "X" that we dislike
about contemporary society, and all will be well (or at least better). This corner of the
internet has become a bit unhinged, really.
A far better approach, it seems to me, is to engage with the current reality on its own
terms. You don't have to like the current setup, but you do have to live in it. Even if you
MGTOW, you're still a part of the "system", and don't kid yourself into thinking that there
is a huge groundswell of men doing MGTOW, because there isn't, and there never will be. And
if you're a patriarchal advocate, that's fine and well if you can pull that off in your own
private life despite the general mores, but the general mores themselves are not going to
become patriarchal again anytime soon, regardless of what you advocate. The pendulum hasn't
even gotten to the end of its anti-patriarchal swing yet, frankly. Things are still
progressing further and further away from patriarchy and its norms, and this does not seem
to be slowing down.
Reality is what it is. We don't have to follow social norms if we don't like them. But
building one's life and ideology and worldview around the idea that the current world setup
must collapse in order for things to be okay. Like it or lump it, we need to engage the
world that we have on its terms in whatever way makes sense to us. Just live your lives in a
way that makes sense. Scared of getting married? Fine, then don't get married. Don't like
NAMs? Fine, then vote for people who oppose immigration and don't live around NAMs. But the
fact that you don't want to get married or that you don't like NAMs will not change the
current setup one bit. It's much bigger than you, and far bigger than the discontent that
comes spewing from this corner of the internet on a regular basis.
5/01/2011 3:12 PM
Glenn Sacks is an excellent example but then again so is Harry Crouch,president of the NCFM,Paul Elam,myself and other MRA's that are activist or work behind the scenes to make it a better world for men so let's not forget them.
Whiskey said...
MRA's don't offer a social solution to the problem. Which is the failure to replicate the
nuclear family down this generation. If men go their own way or not, the size of that population is trivial. It would not matter if they went 19th Century Mormon with twelve wives or had no children or girlfriends at all.
What matters is restarting the Nuclear Family above all. Charles Murray is pessimistic for
the Working Class which has abandoned it among Whites, and says the Middle Class is sliding
that way. Only the upper class among Whites retains the Nuclear Family values and behavior.
5/01/2011 3:16 PM
Whiskey said...
Ultimately I'd add that MGTOW, MRA are completely irrelevant. Sperm is cheap, eggs are
expensive. Women alone matter, men do not. Men will be whatever kind of man women want them to be. Since Women decide, and men do not. Outside of a repressive Muslim society anyway
which "solves" that problem akin to getting rid of a wart on your foot by cutting off your
foot.
I am not optimistic on the central problem of restarting the nuclear family among Working
Class Whites and Middle Class Whites (Charles Murray notes that only the Upper Classes among
Whites have strong nuclear families, the Working Class has abandoned it and the Middle Class
is in the process). I don't think most White women absent the goodies that UPPER CLASS White
men produce, can be persuaded to trade a "boring" nuclear family against "sexy" single
motherhood with shared Alpha males.
I'll note that choice first came upon Black women, they chose Sexy. Then Hispanic women (if
you trace illegitimacy rates against time, there is a huge change/jump for each cohort).
Driving a BMW and vacationing at Jackson Hole over Christmas is worth putting up with
forgone Sexy. The suburbs (which I consider along with Sailer from 1955-1986 to be pure
paradise for the average guy) not so much.
5/01/2011 3:22 PM
Want to hear something ironic? Whiskey is a Spearhead contributor. Does Wilmer know about these posts?
Walenty Lisek said...
"The guy that says paying a series of hookers is preferable to having a reliable spouse (or
girlfriend) is out of it."
When it comes to the men who talk like this I assume their sexual market value is low and by
low I mean like those "true forced loneliness" guys.
At the start of the video below you can see what a few of them look like. If they can get
women at all, those women would be so undesirable that a hooker may very well be preferable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xg8nek158w
These kinds of men don't earn our pity but rather they earn our reflexive disgust. You can
judge a book by it's cover and these guys look fucked up.
5/01/2011 4:49 PM
Ever breakdown the word "assume"? Let's do it: when you "assume" you make an "ass" out of "u" and "me". The way you conservative/traditional assholes brag about how your way of life is better than anyone else's surely means that you guys have a wife and kids and very good home life. Right? Right? *rolls eyes* Jackasses.
PA said...
-- I mean, really, excepting ... mass immigration from the Third World is it all really that
bad in the West?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?"
Besides mass non-white immigration, EVERY other problem this sphere discusses would be
self-correcting. Every single one: misandry, low birthrates, hypergamy, political
correctness, black crime, and so on.
That's why race/immigration is in my opinion THE most important problem, and I have little
interest in MRAs who argue that men across races are to form an adversarial front against
women as women.
Novaseeker, I like your comment here and yesterday at Chuck's by the way. I disagree with
your apparent acceptance of the inevitability of global pressures on lower-class Americans,
but your perspective gave me quite a bit to think about and an opportunity to recalibrate my
approach a bit.
-- What we have on the internet are a lot of malcontents with the current setup. ... That's
not going to work, folks.
There are malcontents, wierdos, and omegas in the Sphere, no doubt. Apocalypse-porn addicts
are prevalent here too. Nonwithstanding, there is a lot of very good dialogue on these
blogs, and malcontentment is not the first thing I notice -- what I notice is passion for
change and a clear-eyed understanding of problems that face our society.
These discussions aren't mere bitching sessions. They serve the cause by honing our
persepctive and argumentation skills; they let us know that contra media/education complex,
we're not alone in thinking what we're thinking.
Also importantly, these alt-right blogs have real-life impact in that they filter up to
people in positions of influence like activists, journos, politicians possibly, who borrow
Roissy's or Sailer's arguments.
-- I am not optimistic ...
Really, Whiskey? you don't say...
5/01/2011 5:55 PM
This guy sounds like those white nationalists nuts that better stay the hell out of our movement. I have addressed black-on-white crime but I've also acknowledged the plight of the black man so I like to think I'm being fair about it. The white nationalists are a lot different than that,they will beat up a non-white man and kiss white female ass. They will especially beat up a non-white man because a white female put them up to it. They can stay in the conservative/traditional camp as far as I'm concerned because if they come over to us with those views they won't like the reception.
Anonymous said...
"The pendulum hasn't even gotten to the end of its anti-patriarchal swing yet, frankly.
Things are still progressing further and further away from patriarchy and its norms, and
this does not seem to be slowing down."
It doesn't matter what percent of women are sluts. It just matters how many children smart
women of good character have. There is no other source for good people than good people.
5/01/2011 5:59 PM
Who are these "good women" and how are they different than the sluts? It is difficult to tell the difference between the two and if you fall prey to a convincing liar you are fucked. I suggest the conservatives/traditionalists take the red pill and take it right away. The faster the better.
PA said...
There is also a vocal contingent of MRAs whose roots are in non-Western countries. There is
often a palpable contempt for women as women in their rhetoric. This point of view is very
alien to a European, culturally-Christian man, who traditionally sees women as as partners
and helpmeets subordinate to us as men but equal as human beings and before God.
Meanwhile, non-Westerners, even those from high-functioning backgrounds, generally treated
women as chattle and that sort of twerpish attitude comes through loudly.
5/01/2011 6:27 PM
So does your fucking ignorance. Helpmates? Where the fuck have you been? Guess who files the majority of divorces on the flimsiest of grounds? Your helpmate,that's who. Maybe these non-western MRA's that you spit on have a better understanding of women than you do.
OneSTDV said...
As always, great comments PA.
HalfSigma likes to talk about people possessing gravity and I always think of that adjective
when reading your comments.
That's why race/immigration is in my opinion THE most important problem, and I have little
interest in MRAs who argue that men across races are to form an adversarial front against
women as women.
Of course. I supported this idea in a thread awhile back at In Mala Fide and boy did some of
them get angry. And this is why I added in the non-white motivation at the bottom of this
post.
I believe Chuck has come to understand this as well (I originally thought of him as a gender
blogger and even though he eviscerates them frequently, I'm pretty sure he agrees.)
5/01/2011 7:11 PM
Every man is in the same boat today regardless of color and the conservos/trads don't give a shit but did they ever? No,so fuck them. Like I said earlier if the conservos/trads want to practice racism keep in their own camp because we don't want it anywhere near us.
Guess who else is a detractor of ours lately? Yep,it is Roissy and he said the following:
Men truly going their own, vagina-free, way (and not simply men trying to score internet debate points by claiming to go their own way but still banging on the sly) are likely mating market losers who find comfort in pretending to wish away the allure of women. No one’s buying it, just as no one buys the claptrap by fat feminists insisting that fat women are lusted after by winner men and only social conditioning prevents these men from dating all the grotesque and ill-mannered fatties they really desire.
Roissy,like most PUA's,is a mangina pussy begger. His type seeks approval from women. The only difference between him and the conscious men crowd is that the conscious men crowd can at least acknowledge they are slaves to pussy whereas guys like Roissy like to think that they are in control of women. Game only works as long as women allow it to and if they put their foot down and refuse to abide in it no amount of game is going to accomplish your goals. A lot of PUA's forget this and think they are in charge when in reality it is the woman who is in charge. Also keep in mind that game can be a fasttrack to a prison cell if she hits you with a false rape charge. Something you may want to keep in mind the next time you use game.
Let's see some of the pearls of wisdom his readers post:
Master Dogen-on July 23, 2011 at 3:45 pm
“Men going their own way” should go whole hog and join a religious community, or become serious scholars of something difficult, like ancient Anglo-Saxon poetry or something.
There have always been men in the West who “went their own way.” The thing is, they used to be respectable, interesting, occasionally even holy people. Now they just make a lot of cheap, hyperbolic noise on websites with poor graphic design.
It's strange that Dogen should mention that because that is exactly whom Roissy chose to align himself with,religious fanatics. Don't politics make strange bedfellows.
Artem on July 23, 2011 at 6:10 pm
What’s the difference between a PUA and an MRA?
An emphasis on results in one’s chosen endeavor.
A PUA ruthlessly examines every aspect of his game with the goal of improving his results.
Too many MRAs seem unconcerned that for all their ‘activism’, so feminist seems even remotely worried that MRAs will hold them accountable.
What results have MRAs delivered towards their stated goals?
I've mentioned two that are scared to death of us but if you must know we are currently trying to get VAWA amended. The amended version of VAWA is the PVRA and we are lobbying bigtime on that one. Like I said false accusations are as common as beer in a bar so if you are a PUA you may want to keep your attorney on speeddial.
Doug1-on July 24, 2011 at 1:12 am
What’s the difference between a PUA and an MRA?
Laying girls or not.
I don't need women to reaffirm my manhood. Can you say the same,Doug? Nope,didn't think so.
Neil Hansen-on July 23, 2011 at 4:23 pm
It’s not really a manifesto so much as it’s just a list of truths. MGTOW isn’t possible unless you use prostitutes. No man can go without pussy, unless he is a monk.
I went for coffee today in the trendy spot of my west coast city. Lots of SWPL men and women covered from head to tie with tattoos and piercings. If I had any advice for men today, it would be that women, for whatever reason, genuinely want to be regarded as “hoes.” I do not know what explains this phenomenon. Children are the last thing on a woman’s mind, unless she can have them on her terms, like Madonna. Men are simply optional sperm donors to today’s woman. It actually isn’t that bad for men if women don’t really value men as fathers for their children. We just simply pump n dump and pay the monthly $500 and move on to the next bang. Women get complete control of their vaginas. Not a bad trade-off. So long as women seem to have no concern about the future of society or their children, this is how things will be. And there is some data suggesting that children from single-parent families fare just fine. Mind you I am in an affluent west coast city full of whites and asians. The asian women are not yet ready to be regarded as full-blown “hoes”, so they aren’t sporting the tats and piercing – yet. But the white girls are ready…boy, are they ready. I will admit that single motherhood for latins and blacks is the kiss of death. Gangs and violence will surely follow. For wealthy whites, art school and cinematography follows.
Patriarchy isn’t coming back, not in my lifetime anyway. So I wouldn’t suggest MGTOW; that isn’t possible. I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again: you don’t even necessarily need game. There are millions of girls in the Phlippines that need loving. If you don’t have game, just save your money and take your vacay in the Phils. A single man can save $20,000 per year. Play video games and get a happy-ending massage from time to time. Make sure you get your Twinrix and Gardasil shots to help prevent STD’s. In the meantime think of your house you can build on the beach in the Philippines.
There is no need to go the way of Sodini. There is no need for MGTOW. I know too many guys with multiple girlfriends in the Phils, Thailand and Indonesia to keep an average man happy.
Yes, I am a little sad that modern women only want to be recognized for their pussies. As I said, I cannot explain this phenomenon. For two centuries they fought against this, and wanted to be valued for their brains. It is indeed a strange world. So when I look at them and see them covered in tats and slut uniforms, I am perplexed. But….fuck it. Save your money boys and dream of SE Asian pussy! There is lots of it!
Then again, you can learn game. Only about 5 or 10% of the male population knows how to practice it successfully. Me, I am too lazy. And the pussy isn’t really worth the effort. It’s just too easy to get a massage and a bj once a month or bimonthly. If this disgusts you, your only hope is Game. Game requires effort and conscious work. And practice. You need to be socially plugged in. Where do you work? Do you have status? You cannot have Game and also be devoid of some status. You cannot have Game and simply work as a shlub somewhere; your work needs to have some Status, witha capital S.
Great post, Roissy. Discrediting MRA and MGTOW needs to happen. MGTOW isn’t possible. MRA is the equivalent of feminism. Game is the only solution, but if you don’t have it, I have a solution of my own:
ASIA.
If there is anyone who is as braindead as Roissy is it is Neil Hansen. I guess these assholes call themselves "pick up artists" because the term "pussy beggers" is demeaning to them. Demeaning but accurate. Asia? Catherine Kieu Becker is from Asia and look what she did to her husband. If you call that "paradise" then you and I have different defintions of "paradise".
Artem-on July 23, 2011 at 6:01 pm
I do agree that a lot of MRAs are whiners. For one thing, for all their ‘activism’, feminists never worry about getting in trouble with MRAs for saying something misandric on national TV.
So MRAs are not really a pressure group if no feminist or mangina is afraid of being held to account by MRAs.
You're wrong and I've already addressed this.
Betadyermom on July 24, 2011 at 11:45 am
MRA seems to be mostly an internet circlejerk which is self-contained in their own little corner of the blogsphere. There doesn’t seem to be whole lot of “advocacy” going on — there’s no organization, no spokesmen, no media talking points, very few allies in academia, etc.
Seems like a lot of MRAs use it as a form of therapy. So, yeah, they come off as whiners — a lot of complaining and not a whole lot of action.
Open your eyes,close your mouth and maybe you'll learn something.
xsplat on July 24, 2011 at 2:13 pm
a lot of complaining and not a whole lot of action.
This is the center of it.
MRAs want to fix the problem. So they talk about what the problem is. Never realizing that social problems don’t have social causes – they have technical causes. Human culture is embedded in the modes of production and other tehnological facets that now make up how it functions.
MRAs can not even see the causes, let alone agree on what effects they’d like to see.
PUAs don’t have to know what the causes are, they are clear what effect they want, and they work towards that. It’s very personal, and achievable, on an individual level.
At least I'm not on the road to getting an STD. Can you say that? You're not one of us and we know how to stratigize to go after our goals so shut the fuck up.
Old Guy-on July 23, 2011 at 8:40 pm
Being a father has its good days and bad days. It is a complex game to play well, and a very expensive hobby. It can become a horror show for the unwilling forced to play. I advise young men to be careful where they plant their seed.
I only discovered the MRM in the last few months, though I have realized the need for men’s liberation for a long time. Unfortunately, the least marketable types seem to be the face of the movement; the whiny bitch MGTOWs and the woman haters.
We seem to be going great guns,not bad for a bunch of misogynists.
I don't know why Roissy and the religious right is on our shit but if the feminists put them up to it then it is very telling of them and where their loyalties are and if feminists are responsible for this it just goes to show we are getting their attention and they are getting very scared. Not only scared it seems but desperate as well. So what do we do? Stay the course and achieve our goals,that's what we do.
Tuesday, July 26, 2011
Support the Partnership Violence Reduction Act
The Partnership Violence Reduction Act (PVRA) is coming up before Congress and it's going to need your support if it's going to become law. You can email your Congressperson and Senators click here and tell them to support the PVRA. The PVRA is a lot better than VAWA when you take into consideration that the PVRA covers:
The PVRA limits the definition of domestic violence to "felony or misdemeanor crimes of violence," so victims of physical violence don't have to take a number and wait their turn.
Abused men who look for help are often turned away, and in some cases arrested. Most shelters only accept female clients. Some shelters that claim to give hotel vouchers to abused men, do not.
The PVRA makes the law gender-inclusive and removes discriminatory policies.
The Partner Violence Reduction Act (PVRA) offers hope to physical abuse victims by:
*Promoting proven abuse-reduction strategies
*Tightening definitions, so real victims aren't put on waiting lists
*Allowing partner reconciliation when the abuse is minor, keeping more families together
*Ending gender discrimination
So when you take the above into consideration it only makes sense to send those emails telling Congress to support the PVRA. Why should your wounds and her dark side escape the attention they deserve? Send those emails today.
Also if you want to sign the petition concerning the PVRA but didn't get a chance you can do so now. So if you haven't done so please do as it may concern you or someone you care about.
The PVRA limits the definition of domestic violence to "felony or misdemeanor crimes of violence," so victims of physical violence don't have to take a number and wait their turn.
Abused men who look for help are often turned away, and in some cases arrested. Most shelters only accept female clients. Some shelters that claim to give hotel vouchers to abused men, do not.
The PVRA makes the law gender-inclusive and removes discriminatory policies.
The Partner Violence Reduction Act (PVRA) offers hope to physical abuse victims by:
*Promoting proven abuse-reduction strategies
*Tightening definitions, so real victims aren't put on waiting lists
*Allowing partner reconciliation when the abuse is minor, keeping more families together
*Ending gender discrimination
So when you take the above into consideration it only makes sense to send those emails telling Congress to support the PVRA. Why should your wounds and her dark side escape the attention they deserve? Send those emails today.
Also if you want to sign the petition concerning the PVRA but didn't get a chance you can do so now. So if you haven't done so please do as it may concern you or someone you care about.
Monday, July 25, 2011
Nafissatou Diallo speaks out-about extorting more money
Hotel maid in Strauss-Kahn case speaks out
By Noeleen Walder Reuters – Sun, Jul 24, 2011
NEW YORK (Reuters) - The New York hotel maid who accused former IMF chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn of attempting to rape her said in an interview published on Newsweek's website on Sunday that he appeared as a "crazy man" and attacked her when she entered his room.
Nafissatou Diallo also gave the newsmagazine and ABC News permission to identify her by name.
The magazine interview marks the first time the 32-year-old Guinean immigrant to the United States has publicly spoken to the media since she shocked the world with allegations that Strauss-Kahn emerged naked from the bathroom of his luxury suite on May 14 and forced her to perform oral sex.
Until now, Reuters had kept to the practice in the United States of protecting the identity of alleged rape victims.
ABC News on Sunday also announced it would broadcast an interview with Diallo on Monday morning.
"I want justice. I want him to go to jail," she said in excerpts from the television interview released on Sunday.
"I want him to know that there is some places you cannot use your money, you cannot use your power when you do something like this," Diallo said.
One of Diallo's attorneys, Douglas Wigdor, told Reuters she has come forward to let the world know she is not a "shakedown artist or a prostitute."
"She's being attacked ... and she thought it was important to put a name and face to her account," Wigdor said.
She also plans to file a civil lawsuit soon, which means her name would become public, he added.
ABC reported Diallo also acknowledged "mistakes" but said that should not stop prosecutors from going forward.
"I never want to be in public but I have no choice," she told ABC News, adding "Now, I have to be in public. I have to, for myself. I have to tell the truth."
Diallo, who Newsweek said had agreed to be photographed for next week's edition, said she saw Strauss-Kahn appear naked in front of her when she opened the door to his suite. He was like "a crazy man to me," she said.
"You're beautiful," she reported Strauss-Kahn as saying, and said he attacked her despite her protestations.
DENIES ALL CHARGES
Strauss-Kahn, 62, has repeatedly denied all the charges against him. In a statement on Sunday, his lawyers called the interview a last-ditch effort by the maid and her lawyers to extract money from the former managing director of the International Monetary Fund.
She is "the first accuser in history to conduct a media campaign to persuade a prosecutor to pursue charges against a person from whom she wants money," lawyers Benjamin Brafman and William Taylor said.
"Her lawyers and public relations consultants have orchestrated an unprecedented number of media events and rallies to bring pressure on the prosecutors in this case after she had to admit her extraordinary efforts to mislead them."
Her credibility was thrown into question when Manhattan prosecutors revealed Diallo told authorities numerous lies, including fabricating a story about being gang-raped in Guinea in order to gain U.S. asylum. She also changed details of her story about what happened following the purported assault.
Wigdor said Diallo has worried that prosecutors would drop the charges. "That has been a concern, but we're all hopeful that the district attorney's going to do the right thing," he said.
A spokesman for Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance had no comment on the interviews, saying: "We will not discuss the facts or evidence in what remains an ongoing investigation."
FLED AFTER RAPE
After arriving from Guinea in 2003, Diallo, who is illiterate, told Newsweek she spent years braiding hair before working at a bodega in New York City's Bronx borough. As a maid at the Sofitel hotel, she received $25 an hour plus tips.
Diallo said her husband in Guinea died of an illness but did not provide further details. Roughly two years after being raped by two soldiers in Conakry, the Guinean capital, she fled with her daughter, now 15, to the United States, where she said she has few close friends.
Following the alleged attack, Diallo spent weeks in protective custody, holed up in a hotel with her daughter.
"She's been in seclusion for over two months. She hasn't been able to take a walk in the park," her lawyer said.
French newspaper France Soir reported in a front page headline that David Koubbi, the lawyer for French writer Tristane Banon, who has accused Strauss-Kahn of a 2003 sexual assault, had met with Diallo. It added only that he "was impressed by her courage."
Source:click here
This shakedown artist sure knows how to play her part well otherwise she wouldn't be here. VAWA has enabled women like this and it is no wonder that at least one that we know of would take advantage of it. She's trying to get money anyway she can whether it is through the nose of Dominique Strauss-Khan or the New York Post she's going to make sure she gets paid. I knew the moment she filed that civil suit she ran the risk of being outed to the world but she doesn't care. All she's after is the Benjamins and nothing but. Regular readers of this blog know the true character of Nafissatou Diallo as the Post has done an excellent job of reporting it. That's probably why she wants to sue them.
By Noeleen Walder Reuters – Sun, Jul 24, 2011
NEW YORK (Reuters) - The New York hotel maid who accused former IMF chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn of attempting to rape her said in an interview published on Newsweek's website on Sunday that he appeared as a "crazy man" and attacked her when she entered his room.
Nafissatou Diallo also gave the newsmagazine and ABC News permission to identify her by name.
The magazine interview marks the first time the 32-year-old Guinean immigrant to the United States has publicly spoken to the media since she shocked the world with allegations that Strauss-Kahn emerged naked from the bathroom of his luxury suite on May 14 and forced her to perform oral sex.
Until now, Reuters had kept to the practice in the United States of protecting the identity of alleged rape victims.
ABC News on Sunday also announced it would broadcast an interview with Diallo on Monday morning.
"I want justice. I want him to go to jail," she said in excerpts from the television interview released on Sunday.
"I want him to know that there is some places you cannot use your money, you cannot use your power when you do something like this," Diallo said.
One of Diallo's attorneys, Douglas Wigdor, told Reuters she has come forward to let the world know she is not a "shakedown artist or a prostitute."
"She's being attacked ... and she thought it was important to put a name and face to her account," Wigdor said.
She also plans to file a civil lawsuit soon, which means her name would become public, he added.
ABC reported Diallo also acknowledged "mistakes" but said that should not stop prosecutors from going forward.
"I never want to be in public but I have no choice," she told ABC News, adding "Now, I have to be in public. I have to, for myself. I have to tell the truth."
Diallo, who Newsweek said had agreed to be photographed for next week's edition, said she saw Strauss-Kahn appear naked in front of her when she opened the door to his suite. He was like "a crazy man to me," she said.
"You're beautiful," she reported Strauss-Kahn as saying, and said he attacked her despite her protestations.
DENIES ALL CHARGES
Strauss-Kahn, 62, has repeatedly denied all the charges against him. In a statement on Sunday, his lawyers called the interview a last-ditch effort by the maid and her lawyers to extract money from the former managing director of the International Monetary Fund.
She is "the first accuser in history to conduct a media campaign to persuade a prosecutor to pursue charges against a person from whom she wants money," lawyers Benjamin Brafman and William Taylor said.
"Her lawyers and public relations consultants have orchestrated an unprecedented number of media events and rallies to bring pressure on the prosecutors in this case after she had to admit her extraordinary efforts to mislead them."
Her credibility was thrown into question when Manhattan prosecutors revealed Diallo told authorities numerous lies, including fabricating a story about being gang-raped in Guinea in order to gain U.S. asylum. She also changed details of her story about what happened following the purported assault.
Wigdor said Diallo has worried that prosecutors would drop the charges. "That has been a concern, but we're all hopeful that the district attorney's going to do the right thing," he said.
A spokesman for Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance had no comment on the interviews, saying: "We will not discuss the facts or evidence in what remains an ongoing investigation."
FLED AFTER RAPE
After arriving from Guinea in 2003, Diallo, who is illiterate, told Newsweek she spent years braiding hair before working at a bodega in New York City's Bronx borough. As a maid at the Sofitel hotel, she received $25 an hour plus tips.
Diallo said her husband in Guinea died of an illness but did not provide further details. Roughly two years after being raped by two soldiers in Conakry, the Guinean capital, she fled with her daughter, now 15, to the United States, where she said she has few close friends.
Following the alleged attack, Diallo spent weeks in protective custody, holed up in a hotel with her daughter.
"She's been in seclusion for over two months. She hasn't been able to take a walk in the park," her lawyer said.
French newspaper France Soir reported in a front page headline that David Koubbi, the lawyer for French writer Tristane Banon, who has accused Strauss-Kahn of a 2003 sexual assault, had met with Diallo. It added only that he "was impressed by her courage."
Source:click here
This shakedown artist sure knows how to play her part well otherwise she wouldn't be here. VAWA has enabled women like this and it is no wonder that at least one that we know of would take advantage of it. She's trying to get money anyway she can whether it is through the nose of Dominique Strauss-Khan or the New York Post she's going to make sure she gets paid. I knew the moment she filed that civil suit she ran the risk of being outed to the world but she doesn't care. All she's after is the Benjamins and nothing but. Regular readers of this blog know the true character of Nafissatou Diallo as the Post has done an excellent job of reporting it. That's probably why she wants to sue them.
Saturday, July 23, 2011
Feminism and the dark history of the suffragettes
Casey Anthony is a young woman who would make any feminist proud. She was able to murder her own child and throw men under the bus to save her own worthless hide at the same time. Feminists champion women who only accomplish one or the other so you can imagine the joy they had in their dead zombie hearts to run across a woman who was able to pull off both. She was able to get a predominantly female jury to acquit her and there has been speculation there was juror misconduct in the jury room. If this is the case then there may reasons for a new trial and finding out what happened with the jury from the first trial. I understand that Casey's brother and father don't want anything to do with her and I can understand that. Now this case is old and the public's attention is diverted elsewhere. A little girl is just as dead and no one has paid for her murdering her. And America you acted so angrily over the death of Caylee. Why is that America? I'm not asking that question to trivialize Caylee's death in fact quite the opposite. I'm asking that question is why now? What about Jon Benet Ramsey? You really didn't really care about that case. The authorities royally bungled that case and no outrage from the community. Her mother has been accused of murdering her and no arrests have been made and of course no outrage from the community. Then there was Susan Smith who murdered her two sons so she could be free to marry a man who didn't want children. At her trial she was found guilty and given a very lenient sentence. There was very little outrage over this. So I'm wondering America why Caylee? Is she the straw that broke the camel's back? Let's see.
There is probably someone out there who is asking:
Masc this can't possibly be what the founding mothers of feminism had in mind when they got women the vote and liberated them from oppression. The founding mothers were noble women.
Were they? Were they the angels of light that they are portrayed to be or were they more sinister than that?
Let's take a look at what they did and this is what the water downed,feminized version of history avoids and that is dealing with the dark side of the suffragettes. The approved version aka the PC version of history doesn't show how dangerous these women truly were but I will. Let's take a look at:
Source:click here
What if people were killed by their actions? What if some of those people were children?
The crucial relationship Shelby missed is this: post-modern feminism (which has clearly admitted to being a supremacist movement) is the living granddaughter of the Women’s Ku Klux Klan (WKKK), where second-wave  feminism (as we know it today) was gestated and borne. Â
It is important to recognize that the WKKK was not in the mainstream of the suffragette movement, but did strongly support it. Legitimate mainstream suffragettes, including Elizabeth Cady Stanton, my grandmother Florence Richardson Usher, and great grandmother Florence Wyman Richardson (photo), did not participate in the smaller WKKK movement or its post-Klan feminist activities. The suffragettes put up with WKKK feminists because of one common goal: passage of the 19th Amendment.
Source:click here
Well now it seems that the suffragettes have no problem allying themselves with racists. The WKKK was staffed by women who gleefully falsely accused black men of rape and what if innocent black men were possibly castrated because of their lies but if the suffragettes had no problem being allied with such a group then that is very telling of the suffragettes.
Source:click here
What if some man got acid in his eyes because of what these irresponsible women did? Would they have gotten the same pussy pass they get today?
Mary "Slasher" Richardson who had been a Drum Major in the suffragettes' "Fife and Drum Marching Band" went on to be the head of the women's section of the British Union of Fascists in 1934, a sort of British version of Gertrud Scholtz-Klink.
It is easy to understand why a fanatic might attack a hated portrait as when a Welsh nationalist slashed that of Caradoc Evans in Cardiff or a suffragette that of Thomas Carlyle. But why slash the Rokeby Venus? We can only understand why if we realise that the suffragette movement was as much about sexual frustration as about votes for women.
In the period 1900-1914 unmarried middle class women were compelled to be chaste by social convention. Their young male counterparts by contrast sought out ladies of easy virtue who sold sex. This was how it had always been and still is in many traditional societies. The suffragettes wanted equality and they could not demand sexual freedom for themselves, so they wanted to deny it to men. Their slogan was "Votes for women and chastity for men". It was probably the main reason for the fierce opposition to their otherwise reasonable demand for the vote. What Edwardian masher was going to risk having chastity imposed on him and his pals by an alliance of women and clergymen.
The suffragettes and the clergy did in fact conspire together in the Social Purity Movement and to combat what was called the "Social Evil". Street prostitution was widespread in London at the time, even though brothels were illegal and remained so until the 1959 Street Offences Act. It was the guarantor of the virtue of respectable daughters or sisters and only the moralistic clergy were daft enough to believe in male chastity even for the men of the armies of World War I.
The suffragettes put about the myth that the working girls were either "fallen women" cast aside by an evil seducer (male villain) or the victims of a "white slave trade" run by evil foreigners. What they could not accept was that for many women a period (not a lifetime) working as a prostitute was a welcome escape from their usual job with its long hours, tedious work and poor pay. Most would work on their own account and could decide when to work and when not. They may well have preferred it to being a sneered at skivvy in a household of middle-class suffragettes.
Of course prostitutes then as now faced the risk of being assaulted or worse by their clients. Some prostitutes were, it is also true, under the control of ruthlessly exploiting pimps, who then as now were often members of ethnic minorities. The feminists' response to this was to demand and get legislation providing for the flogging of men convicted of living off the immoral earnings of prostitutes. It was a wonderful moral panic with a sadistic punitive and xenophobic outcome that will have exhilarated the feminists.
We can now see why Mary "Slasher" Richardson, the future fascist, chose to attack this picture. She said at first that it had to do with Mrs Pankhurst's "beautiful character" (as distinct from physical beauty) but later Richardson admitted that the real reason was that she
hated the way men gawped at Venus.
That was why she layed into the bottom that had launched a thousand gawps, a perverse encounter that should have attracted the pen of a J. B. Priestley or a Kenneth Tynan.
As I said, it was about sex. Freud would no doubt have prescribed it for her three times a day. In our twenty-first century world of SM feminists and louche lesbians and where the womens movement's chief enemy is family values, it seems like another world. In 1914 the feminists wanted to make the world into a monastery. Now they want to turn it into an orphanage. I didn't see any visible feminists at Velázquez but then they don't do art because all the great painters are male.
Source:click here
The clergy and feminists work together now too and I'm sure their goals are the same and that is the control of men,at all costs. Religion and feminism going hand in hand.
There we have it as it turns out the suffragettes were very far from peaceful in fact they could accurately be called "terrorists" as that label would fit them well. This post goes to show that feminists did not abandon their previous ways,not by a long shot. No,this post goes to show that they have stayed the same terrorist course that they started out on.
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